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Ilya Zverev

I'm spending the night between flights on 9-10th in Amsterdam. Currently considering staying in Aalsmeer or Hoofddorp.

- Any better suggestions? :)

- Anyone wants to meet somewhere? Arriving around 17.

- Can I rent a bike at the airport?

#sotm #OpenStreetMap

Ilya Zverev

I built a global PMTiles dataset to use with @watmildon's excellent viewer and he was kind enough to make a page specifically for it. The vector tiles contain almost all of OSM, so you can apply arbitrary filters to see the richness of the data anywhere in the world.

Here's cycleways around the lakes in Minneapolis, for example: watmildon.github.io/TIGERMap/W

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[DATA EXPUNGED]
Ilya Zverev

@ian

I wonder if it's possible to use MapCSS to style it (which is better suited for OSM data model).

wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ma

Ilya Zverev

@ian @watmildon

Also it looks like point queries don't display anything (e.g. highway=bus_stop).

Ilya Zverev

“The slow evaporation of the free/open source surplus”

baldurbjarnason.com/2024/the-s

Where I try to explain, as succinctly as I can (which isn’t that succinct), why I’m worried about where FOSS is heading

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Paul Cantrell

@baldur
Compelling.

This side branch deserves its own writeup:

“Some are reaching for LLM-generated code before they even look for an OSS project, both disconnecting those projects from opportunities to grow a sustainable community and nullifying the strategic advantage of having made an OSS solution for a problem. Note that the models are originally trained on that OSS.”

acb

@baldur @glyph Not sure about the point about laid-off/unemployed engineers not coding. I have spent periods of funemployment between contracts/jobs on side projects (a few apps/frameworks, some playing around with various technologies/languages and such). Looking at the fediverse, I don’t seem to be alone in this. Perhaps better social security such as a UBI would lead to more open source contributions.

Sheogorath 🦊

@baldur I would argue the industry didn't overspend, but overbuilt on FOSS. FOSS was free, is free and that encourages usage. But as all infrastructure, even free one, there is a maintenance price tag and the people with the bills are starting to knock on the door.

As a result: panic.

Not to mention that governments start to pick up on the transparency FOSS provides for regulations.

Ilya Zverev

Once upon a time, I created a graph which analysed the @weeklyOSM outbound links, comparing the number of #Twitter and #Mastodon links.

A while later, the Weekly Team decided to not allow Twitter links anymore, as the platform needed an account to see content.

But, it is time for an updated graph!

A linegraph showing the number of Twitter links vs the number of Mastodon links. In the end, mastodon takes over.
Rita

@marcelcosta Ni fava com es calcula, hi ha biaix mastodòntic i és quantitatiu, però si més no, com a dibu és interessant. Quina remuntada, tu!

Ilya Zverev

Bluesky introduces anti-toxicity features -- including permission on quote posts

bsky.social/about/blog/08-28-2

Some of the other highlights:

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"hiding" replies, meaning they don't show up in the thread (aka conversation) view


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timed word mutes


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seeing where a post has been quoted, and the ability to "detach" a specific quote (so that you can't get to it from the original post)


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notification filtering (somewhat similar to in Mastodon 4.3)


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only showing replies from people you follow in the "following" feed (their equialent of the Home feed) if it's a reply to somebody you also follow (this matches Mastodon's behavior; previously, Bluesky showed all replies from people you follow in the home feed)

All in all, it's serious progress, and builds on their previous work with reply permissions. It'll be interesting to see how #mastodon's upcoming quote boost feature compares.

#bluesky

Bluesky introduces anti-toxicity features -- including permission on quote posts

bsky.social/about/blog/08-28-2

Some of the other highlights:

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"hiding" replies, meaning they don't show up in the thread (aka conversation) view


Ilya Zverev

@mvexel took a minute to revive my OSM 2008 page, the one built from the old planet file (080102): osmz.ru/osm2008.html

It is a bit slow, but do compare 2008.osm.lol/#12/59.9270/30.30 with osmz.ru/osm2008.html#12/59.923

Saint Petersburg from 2008 as seen on the 2008.osm.lol website. Pieces or roads and tram lines, mostly empty.
Saint Petersburg in 2008 as seen on osmz.ru/osm2008.html website. Road and railway network intact.
[DATA EXPUNGED]
Ilya Zverev

The secret fourth kind is 'we applied a standard theory to their map of every tree and got some suspicious results.'
xkcd.com/2977/

ᴺⁱˡᶻ 🍸

@xkcd

"We applied AI to their circumstances and now people eat glue"

Ilya Zverev

Based on some feedback I got from people that wanted to use it for more than just storefronts, I tweaked the prompt on my image-to-osm tool and it is happier to give OSM tags for generic stuff like bike parking and waste bins.

image-to-osm.vercel.app/

Ilya Zverev

Prepared a plan for making a group tweet service for Mastodon, after finding out the only working option is Buffer with $10/mo subscription.

So many ideas come when I'm procrastinating my conference talks.

Ilya Zverev

Was recently shopping for a children school planner, and the amount of AI slop on covers is unbelievable. We are losing our childrens' artistic taste to this.

(decided to go with a planner without pictures, but with a nice texture)

Ilya Zverev

Interesting paper- AI is not boosting your creativity

“We found that support from an AI image generator during ideation leads to higher fixation on an initial example. Participants who used AI produced fewer ideas, with less variety and lower originality compared to a baseline.”

dl.acm.org/doi/full/10.1145/36

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JDS

@Talia long but interesting read, thanks 🙌

jesterchen42

@Talia And I bet this holds true for the art of programming as well...

David

@Talia I would have assumed the opposite anyway. “Using AI to do our creative work” kind of says it all. If you are relying on something else to do your creative work, naturally you are going to be less creative as a result. That just seems logical to me.

Ilya Zverev

Funny, just a couple weeks ago I had a map for the GeoScribble front page. And now I've replaced it with something much more useful.

The map fits the front page only when what you are selling is that map. And every OSMer knows OSM is not a map.

OSM is data + community, and on the front page we have neither.

InsertUser

@zverik I think there have been discussions over the years about going to something more like openstreetmap.fr/

I think the problem with that is that many mappers go to osm.org specifically to see their changes get rendered and making the map smaller is less satisfying when you do that.

Joost Schouppe

@zverik I've been saying that for years as well. I think welcome.openstreetmap.org/ would be a good place to start from. It wouldn't even need to be integrated in the current website, just move that to osm.org/map
Though a design that integrates both map & non map features like the Czech did openstreetmap.cz would be cool (and perhaps easier to stomach for some folks)

Ilya Zverev

During the brainstorming for my talk, I suddenly understood another issue with OSMF and our website.

As we all know, the idea behind our website is to showcase a bare minimum about OSM, to allow thousand of other projects grow.

But that should also be work: to facilitate growth, we need to make those projects visible. On the website, not buried in the wiki.

We need to replace the map with a curated list of projects.

Having a map on osm.org is the worst possible option. Nobody else does that.

Michael Brandtner

@zverik I 100% agree, how can we accomplish that? Who do we need to convince?

NeatNit

@zverik If you want a place to start: when viewing a changeset (e.g. openstreetmap.org/changeset/10 ) it's a perfect opportunity to link to various other websites that offer much more useful diff viewing. I somehow knew about OSMCha, but just discovered achavi overpass-api.de/achavi/?change a few minutes ago pretty randomly. Adding links to these external viewers in osm.org would eliminate the frustration of having to seek out a proper diff for a newbie.

Ilya Zverev

Today I'm launching something near and dear to my heart...VERY near and dear 😂 -- a podcast project with my phenomenal favorite neuroscientist (& wife), @analog_ashley !

On "Change, Technically" we're coming to your ears to share tales of who gets to be technical. We dig into STEM pathways & how leaders can learn from psych and neuroscience to think about cultivating innovation. We share our stories from classrooms to software teams. Plus new Cat & Ashley lore!

changetechnically.fyi/

Today I'm launching something near and dear to my heart...VERY near and dear 😂 -- a podcast project with my phenomenal favorite neuroscientist (& wife), @analog_ashley !

On "Change, Technically" we're coming to your ears to share tales of who gets to be technical. We dig into STEM pathways & how leaders can learn from psych and neuroscience to think about cultivating innovation. We share our stories from classrooms to software teams. Plus new Cat & Ashley lore!

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Greg

@grimalkina @analog_ashley I listened and it was great. Will share such an accessible format with people in teams who might benefit from topics discussed.

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@overholt

I quite liked

No. 1½ Whip-Ma-Whop-Ma-Gate

in York. Would love for the fractional number to be a standard part of address validation 🤪

The front of No. 1 ½ Whip-Ma-Whop-Ma-Gate in York.
Emma J

@overholt that's glorious.

I used to live on Ship Street. The amount of times I was hung up on, by taxis or Chinese takeaways in my own town, who thought it was a prank and I said I lived up Shit Street.

Ilya Zverev

If you want to build a city for people, you have to start by talking to the people who already live in your city.

This graphic from the #Boston Planning Department brilliantly shows over-reliance on white, older, long-term homeowners to provide " #community " input even when communities are made up of non-white, younger renters.

#urbanism #housing #cities #yimby @maxdubler

Chart showing who shows up for "Citizen Participation" sessions in Boson in terms of White/Non-White, Homeowner/Renter, Over 55/Under 55, Long-term/Newer resident. 

Unsurprisingly, for anyone who has worked in planning outreach, the participants heavily skew to old, white, homeowners.
Corgi Dad

@CathyTuttle @maxdubler @DemonHusky but most that pack those community meetings are old white people who are retired and have nothing better to do.

Ilya Zverev

This is the most amazing interactive map I have come across lately. The interface is simple. Put in a city and see what other place it will be most like in climate in 60 years, when today's children will be seniors, at current rates of carbon burning. The results are shocking - completely different biomes. Then you can compare that with what happens if we reduce emissions. fitzlab.shinyapps.io/cityapp

screenshot of app in action. A map and an arrow pointing from one place to another.
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OliverC

@fionag11 Interesting, but I am a bit sceptical that any real accuracy is possible in making forecasts for such a complex system. Does this, for example, take into account the Atlantic conveyor and its potential collapse?

Jon Sullivan

@fionag11 That is a clever way to illustrate the magnitude of the climate changes barrelling down at us.

I tried it for cities in Aotearoa-New Zealand, where I live, and by 2080 all South Island cities will have temperatures like the current climates of North Island cities, Wellington will have temperatures like current Auckland. Northern NZ cities, like Auckland, will have temperatures like Sydney, Australia.

Those are massive shifts for any native species that likes it where they are now.

Duncan Babbage

@fionag11 while the results are significant, I still worry they are not shocking enough.

In particular, this doesn’t warn about the likelihood of frequent extreme weather events, which will probably be at least as impactful as the changes in baseline climates in any particular location.

Ilya Zverev

Programmers fallacies about postcodes:
- A postcode covers a small geographic area
- A postcode is good enough to locate an end user for generating location suggestions
- A postcode will be in a single timezone
- A postcode only has a single state
- A postcode has no exclaves/enclaves

I would like you to meet 0872. Australia's largest postcode (I think), covers 3 states, has two cut outs (Warbuton and Alice Springs), and even still some mail outside of this area is routed via 0872

Map of Australia showing the 0872 postcode covering half of NT, a portion of WA and a section of SA.
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René Hoffmann :fckafd:

@xssfox in Germany there are streets where postcodes differ on the same street.

Adam ♿

@xssfox you should put this on your blog and also shout it from the rooftops

Phil Thane ✅

@xssfox
Also, too many web forms ask for 'city'. I know every two-bit settlement in the US likes to call itself a city but in the real world cities are large. They have population in thousands if not millions. Outside of cities millions of us live in towns, villages, hamlets or just in the country. Stop demanding to know my 'city'.
@Janeishly

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