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Hisham

I felt like sounding off in the YouTube comments section.

Someone else's comment on YouTube: "A lot of people are too emotionally attached to the ISS. I dont blame them, but this was ALWAYS the plan for it. Its served its purpose, its getting old. Eventually you have to replace the old with the new."
My reply: "We are attached to it because it represented an era of peace and international cooperation in the 90s.

US, Russia and many other countries working together to advance science. At that same time, Israeli and Palestinian leaders were shaking hands at the White House, the Berlin Wall had fallen just a few years before and Apartheid in South Africa was finally over.

The ISS felt like a step towards a Star Trek future.

Now they're telling me they're scrapping it and want to give the next space station to a private company, in an era where the new robber barons are the techbro billionaires cosplaying as space moguls, Boeing builds airplanes with pieces literally falling off the sky, Israel has killed 40,000 people in Gaza, Russia keeps bombing Ukraine, and a reality show rapist is leading the US polls.

Damn right we're emotionally attached to the ISS."
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Guilherme

@hisham_hm Eu falava aqui sobre como eu perdi o tesão com exploração espacial depois que virou hobby de bilionário ainda esses dias.

Eu jovem estaria vidrado no lançamento do James Webb. O da fase adulta cagou pro assunto.

Tua resposta captura muito desse sentimento.

Guilherme

@hisham_hm E sim, fiquei bem ferrado das ideias com essa de descomissionar a estação

Alexis

@hisham_hm heh. good effort, but don't expect the comment to last long on youtube. our Benevolent Corporate Overlords don't like anti-billionaire talk.

Ángela Stella Matutina

@hisham_hm

In this light it makes a lot of sense they don't want to make a museum out of it.

Relevant, maybe: social.treehouse.systems/@ange

sunflowerinrain

@hisham_hm Yes! We need more publicity of the international, co-operative, facets of the ISS - and the effects on the astro/cosmonauts of their planet-watching. Will this continue?

Cheerful Warthog

@hisham_hm I remember having to explain, as a bairn, why I wasn't a big fan of WBush's Mars plans, when I'm such a big space fanboy - was it just that I didn't like WBush? And I eventually came around to "I want a Mars base, but I want a human Mars base, not an American Mars base". And so I DEFINITELY don't want a privatised Mars base, or a privatised space station.

Stoneface Vimes

@hisham_hm well said. And it is still a delight to me and my wife whenever we see it passing over and to know about the people on board, possibly looking down on us.

mi
@hisham_hm the "eventually you have to replace the old with the new" of modern software and devices — and also nobody expected things to go that south when setting that date
Steve 🇨🇦🇺🇦

@hisham_hm @marick Yes. The Expanse (without any alien tech) makes for good storytelling but I don’t want my descendants to have to live it.

Brian Marick

@tewha @hisham_hm Yeah, Mars seems the best of a bad set of choices.

linguistic chaos goblin

@hisham_hm Damn right. I was sad about the last space shuttle flight too, and for the same reason: the old isn't being replaced with the new. It's fading away with the inadequate replacement of vague promises of private innovation.

Ruth [☕️ 👩🏻‍💻📚✍🏻🧵🪡🍵]

@bright_helpings @hisham_hm yes, absolutely this.

I do sometimes get frustrated with people (oh god especially during my brief stint at NASA) who get overly attached to nostalgia for no good reason. But sometimes there is VERY good reason and the next phase of the plan is really bad.

And then it's like nostalgia for when your grandparents could buy an appliance and it would last the rest of their life.

Miloš Jovanović

@platypus @bright_helpings @hisham_hm but this last part is precisely the kind of nostalgia you describe as having a good reason - appliances last less because of planned obsolescence and globalization, precisely those processes that are endangering the future of our planet and making our world worse. nostalgia always serves a function, as the late great Svetlana Boym taught us. 🤓🙂

Ruth [☕️ 👩🏻‍💻📚✍🏻🧵🪡🍵]

@loshmi that—is literally what I said? There is no “but” from my sentences to yours?

Some space “nerd” nostalgia I could really take a miss on (eg Pluto does not care exactly how it’s classified, people claim to love science and then hate that science refines and revises itself). I then gave an example of—exactly what you said? How sometime it’s quite good? 🤨 I don’t know what your reply means

Miloš Jovanović

@platypus I’m sorry, I misunderstood! I understood your “And then..” as being “but”, as this is how some people use that phrasing. You’re absolutely right!

fops (plushie arc) (Chaotic Stupid)

@hisham_hm

want to give the next space station to a private company

HUH??????

L'égrégore André ꕭꕬ

@chfour @hisham_hm "[NASA] is also enabling private industry development of commercially owned and operated space stations, which are planned prior to the deorbit of the International Space Station to prevent a gap in services.”
nasa.gov/faqs-the-internationa

Hisham

My impassioned rant really resonated with a lot of people here. I took the boosts and favorites like hundreds of hugs. We're all emotional about the future we lost and have to rebuild.

A few people replied saying that my YT comment would be shadowbanned. I went back to the video and, even logged in, it disappeared. Honestly, I don't mind. It's up to YouTube to run whatever policies they want; it's their "instance". I don't expect justice from private companies. And that's precisely my point.

CourtneyCantrell won't go back

@hisham_hm Well, shit. I hadn't heard that they're scrapping it. My 11yo daughter is going to be devastated. Just last month, we visited a space museum that had an ISS exhibit, and she was fascinated. It was her favorite thing in the museum, and she said she wants to go there someday.

One of the reasons I despise billionaires is that they are why my kid can't have nice things.

LisPi
@hisham_hm > A few people replied saying that my YT comment would be shadowbanned. I went back to the video and, even logged in, it disappeared.

Typical corposcum moment.
David Scott Moyer

@hisham_hm I just saw that Russia is building a station. Maybe, once Putin is gone, we can make that a joint venture like the ISS.

Mia Rose Winter :v_greyace:​

@hisham_hm me

every time some news comes up about the ISS I get really sad

like recently I read that fucking SpaceX is gonna supply the deorbiting vehicle

depressing really

Alveus Nosville

@hisham_hm I mean it is getting old, I'm assuming it's gonna start failing at some point and it's not something you're gonna leave be. But yeah all this and adding more scrap to the orbit... It all sucks.

Hisham

@nosville22 Someone in the comments mentioned there was a rejected option of moving it to a higher orbit and keeping it there as a historical relic.

If that was feasible, imagine being able to inspect the ruins of the ISS a thousand years from now. We lament the loss of things like the Library of Alexandria and whatnot, and yet we're scrapping our own history that is happening today.

Weird Socks

I was bummed, too, but, from what I read, "feasible" is doing a lot of work in this case
It would have required a staggering quantity of fuel to lift it to geostationary orbit.

Weird Socks

P.s., I'm right there with you about the significance of the ISS. I'm gutted thinking about it.

:rainbow_heart: Pandora

@hisham_hm Yeah. We're going from a Star Trek future to the Expanse.

Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

@hisham_hm such a mood.

Over the weekend we had a small get together here, for unrelated reasons, but we put on Apollo 11 In Real Time:
apolloinrealtime.org/11/

Most guests came a bit before the moon landing, at 8pm ish local time, and left after the "one small step" moon walk at 3am ish local time. This marked exactly 55 years since the landing.

It was playing in the background (along with some music) the whole night. Truly a mesmerizing experience.

We got robbed of this by the barons.

@hisham_hm such a mood.

Over the weekend we had a small get together here, for unrelated reasons, but we put on Apollo 11 In Real Time:
apolloinrealtime.org/11/

Most guests came a bit before the moon landing, at 8pm ish local time, and left after the "one small step" moon walk at 3am ish local time. This marked exactly 55 years since the landing.

Ari SunDog 🏳️‍🌈🌞♾️

@hisham_hm 100% spot on. It represents something beautiful and it's been wrecked by privatization, funding cuts, and the retirement of the shuttle programs with no reliable replacement. It really is a reflection of our times. ☹️

GlitterSquadHQ

@hisham_hm That's alot. However NASA has an AI powered rover on Mars. The ISS is still a dockable station to help catapult additional tech and provide an environment which is vital to learning how humans can not only live but thrive in space and (with all do respect) get the fuck off this planet. 😂

Armin Hanisch

@hisham_hm Perfectly phrased. 👍🏼🤩 Thank you!

WikiParty

@hisham_hm The elephant in the room is that as an enclosed ecosystem, a spacecraft eventually becomes uninhabitable. The same was found in the Biosphere 2 experiment on Earth. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biospher

tuga

@hisham_hm
@jorgecandeias

I'm still not convinced they couldn't just park it in a La Grange point somewhere, and don't give me the money argument – a lot of it is wasted of bullshit.

Maybe use it as a way station for asteroid mining?

Miles Goodhew

@hisham_hm same thing with the space shuttle. It was only ever, at best a working proof of concept. Yet its retirement garnered an open coffin cavalcade across the USA.
I personally shed a tear for Opportunity when it went quiet. It had gone well beyond its mission plan and owed us nothing, but we loved it still.

Wilfried Klaebe

@hisham_hm And there's a spider up there now! De-orbit and burn it NOW!

/jk, I'm not actually arachnophobic.

Martijn Vos

@hisham_hm

Yeah, it represents a different time. A better time in many ways. I don't blame anyone for wanting to keep this last symbol of peace and cooperation between east and west alive.

:bun: Stellar 🇫🇷

@hisham_hm@mastodon.social THE ISS IS LITTERALLY THE COOLEST THING HUMANS EVER BUILT ​:neocat_cry_loud:​

SpaceHistory, etc

@hisham_hm Perhaps of interest, given the subject: ———————————-In Space, Someone *Can* Hear You Sing

youtu.be/ykUfMjQeXN0?si=KZNVpI

An astronaut playing a saxophone on the International Space Station
Codeschubse

@hisham_hm you forgot "antisemitic nazi propaganda is the default again"

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