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Johannes Ernst

Are there any straight-up paid subscription #fediverse servers?

I don't think I have ever come across one. Are there?

Johannes Ernst

Accepting valuable gifts on a regular basis disqualifies the person immediately from any kind of judicial role IMHO. If a Supreme Court justice does not understand this — even if the law permitted it — they just disqualified themselves on the grounds of being completely incompetent on what their job actually is.

Johannes Ernst

I fell hard for this one. The #ArchLinux guys, on their mirrors status page, first list the out-of-date mirrors, and then the current mirrors. Guess from which list I picked several, all with very strange content, before I realized this ...

archlinux.org/mirrors/status/

Johannes Ernst

Status: designing a survey for the members of the #W3C #SWICG, the closest that #ActivityPub standardization has to a home at this time.
Trying to tickle out both what people think is most important/urgent to do, and where they are actually willing/able to do work.

Jamie Clark

@J12t If you only ask W3C activity members where they wish to do work, and avoid asking anyone not in that org, you're probably gonna get the answer you expect.
I did hear a couple of legitimate stakeholders at your #fediforum last week say they weren't comfortable with joining that effort; I'm not sure I ever heard why.
From being in (and recruiting into) similar efforts, over the decades, we all know there's a sharp incline in perception, from regular participants to nonmembers. Your challenge there is not winning over Tantek … He already knows how to navigate W3C :) It's winning over devs who may not be as familiar with how open or how easy that workgroup is, or what its biases are. Cc @evan

@J12t If you only ask W3C activity members where they wish to do work, and avoid asking anyone not in that org, you're probably gonna get the answer you expect.
I did hear a couple of legitimate stakeholders at your #fediforum last week say they weren't comfortable with joining that effort; I'm not sure I ever heard why.
From being in (and recruiting into) similar efforts, over the decades, we all know there's a sharp incline in perception, from regular participants to nonmembers. Your challenge there...

Evan Prodromou

@J12t AP and AS2 have to stay at the W3C.

Those are only two parts of the stack.

Standards are only one part of making a network.

There are a lot of possibilities for documentation and developer coordination elsewhere.

I hope that helps.

Johannes Ernst

Decentralized identity directory. Looks like a useful resource, and nicely done.

decentralized-id.com/

Johannes Ernst

"Actively hire engineers who cause catastrophes and resist learning." Never happened to anybody in the real world :-P

taylor.town/-10x

Johannes Ernst

The Bill Clinton / Ukraine dilemma is an interesting ethics conundrum. Did he do the right thing (on that subject) or the wrong thing? fortune.com/2023/04/05/bill-cl

Bob Wyman

@J12t Convincing a country to give up nuclear weapons is always a good thing -- no matter what consequences that decision might later have.

Our "error" in regards to Ukraine wasn't convincing them to give up their weapons, it was failing to ensure that their sovereignty and territorial integrity was sufficiently well protected. Remember, with the Budapest Memorandum, we promised to protect them, in exchange for their giving up those nuclear weapons. But, we didn't uphold our promise very well.

Johannes Ernst

The notes from the various #Fediforum sessions last week are on-line now. Lots of interesting tidbits there.

Video from the speed demos is still being edited. Stay tuned.

fediforum.org/

Jamie Clark

@J12t Dammit, I thought I read "speed demons" there at first.

But demos are cool too. #fediforum

[DATA EXPUNGED]
Johannes Ernst

Updated #Fediverse #wish list based on recent discussions in the #W3C #SWICG and at #FediForum about #ActivityPub and related.

Fortunately nobody is going to run out of work any year soon 🙂

reb00ted.org/tech/20230405-fed

Aswath Rao

@J12t his comment is out of place; but I am not sure that I will express them at the opportune time. So let me just leave it here.
Based on my experience in other systems, Federation faces its toughest test when it comes to interoperability, especially when UI/UX is impacted. For ex take the light hearted comment in Sec 5.1: "as long as I get those buttons :-)".

Jon Udell

@J12t I just noticed the word "migration" doesn't appear on that list. Given my experience today I'd say it probably should :-)

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@J12t
FYI, my interest (and my background) is in the branding area, including consistent look and feel for users and ease and consistency of use.

Johannes Ernst

Who has implemented the #ActivityPub client-server spec? Looking for pointers.

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marius

@J12t I have. What are you interested in?

Peter Zingg :verified:

@J12t I translated (by hand, not using ChatGPT) the go-fed library (which has C2S and S2S) into Elixir, and ran it against a checklist of tests I found in an activitypub.rocks thread, but 1. there needs to be an MVP or consensus on clients to decide what is standard and what is overridable and 2. I now prefer the architecture that @nutomic ‘s S2S Rust library builds over go-fed’s/my own.

github.com/pzingg/fedi/blob/ma

Johannes Ernst

Consider two companies' tech support via chat. Company A, automatically, e-mails you a full transcript of your support chat at the end of the chat. Company B does not even offer a button to download the chat and copy-paste is hard to do because some kind of auto-scroll Javascript hackery.

Which of those two companies is more trustworthy? More worth your business?

🌈 Lascapi ⁂

@J12t Probably the first one who send the transcript !?!?

Johannes Ernst

Apparently customer support (human) chat agents in several places are trained to regurgitate the problem and ask to confirm. I have no idea why they would do that. Highly annoying.

Johannes Ernst

"The Three-Legged Stool: A Manifesto for a Smaller, Denser Internet". By @ethanz et al.
publicinfrastructure.org/2023/

I very much agree, except that I don't believe it should be a "loyal client" -- a client is a client of somebody else, like somebody else's server, and that's a road we know doesn't lead to something very good. I want my own loyal server instead.

Ethan Zuckerman

@J12t I understand, and the idea of the loyal server is very much at the heart of most fediverse theories. I just don't think it works for most users. I think control over clients is something most users understand, which is why we're focused there.

Johannes Ernst

Hey @jamesmarshall, do you have a link to the app you are building? For the #Fediforum notes, in case people are interested.

James M.

@J12t thanks for asking! No, sorry, I haven't released it yet (need to do some things first), but anyone who is interested can contact me here or at james@jmarshall.com . You're welcome to put my addresses in the FediForum notes.

Happy to discuss the app, answer any questions, let people test it, collaborate, etc. Hit me up!

Johannes Ernst

Noticing that several #Fediforum attendees have the same Fediverse handle as e-mail address.

I don't, but I really want to. That seems much more sensible than having different handles.

It also opens up reallllllyyyy interesting use cases, such as: send message via ActivityPub if possible, fall back to e-mail.

Johannes Ernst

Also noticing that although #Fediforum was about the #Fediverse, and all the people there understand @foo@bar.com handles, so many session notes written by a variety of people have foo@bar.com instead of @foo@bar.com.

So if the early adopters/experts have difficulty with this syntax, do we have any hope that the general public will be able to differentiate fediverse handles and #email addresses, and use them consistently?

I think they simply have to become the same over time.

Johannes Ernst

One of the bad things about fediverse handles is that if you put them on a web page, they are not immediately clickable. And even the convention @foo@bar.com -> bar.com/@foo is a Mastodon-only convention I believe; really needs a Webfinger lookup to resolve to something a browser can open.

What if browsers started handling the acct: scheme by doing the Webfinger lookup?

zbecker

@J12t

Considering #mozilla is going all in on #fediverse, this might start there, or it might only work on their instance.

ShadSterling

@J12t my mastodon app made that handle tapable, except for the initial @, and tapping it tried to send an email. This sort of thing makes me think decent handling of handles is far beyond the horizon

Even if a browser (or any app that has occasion to interpret handles) could resolve accounts correctly, linking to the web page on their fediverse host inherits the problem of preventing you from interacting with it through your own account.

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