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Johannes Ernst

Status: designing a survey for the members of the #W3C #SWICG, the closest that #ActivityPub standardization has to a home at this time.
Trying to tickle out both what people think is most important/urgent to do, and where they are actually willing/able to do work.

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Jamie Clark

@J12t If you only ask W3C activity members where they wish to do work, and avoid asking anyone not in that org, you're probably gonna get the answer you expect.
I did hear a couple of legitimate stakeholders at your #fediforum last week say they weren't comfortable with joining that effort; I'm not sure I ever heard why.
From being in (and recruiting into) similar efforts, over the decades, we all know there's a sharp incline in perception, from regular participants to nonmembers. Your challenge there is not winning over Tantek … He already knows how to navigate W3C :) It's winning over devs who may not be as familiar with how open or how easy that workgroup is, or what its biases are. Cc @evan

@J12t If you only ask W3C activity members where they wish to do work, and avoid asking anyone not in that org, you're probably gonna get the answer you expect.
I did hear a couple of legitimate stakeholders at your #fediforum last week say they weren't comfortable with joining that effort; I'm not sure I ever heard why.
From being in (and recruiting into) similar efforts, over the decades, we all know there's a sharp incline in perception, from regular participants to nonmembers. Your challenge there...

Johannes Ernst

@jamiexml Lots of history, interpersonal dynamics, politics, human messiness, and all of that, and I realize that :-) Ultimately the Fediverse, if it is successful, will end up, and need to end up, with multiple centers of overlapping governance -- like most "non-autocratic" human systems.

All help wanted to get as much as possible moving in roughly the right direction. Currently there is little movement regarding standardization at all, and that needs to change IMHO.

/cc @evan

Evan Prodromou

@J12t AP and AS2 have to stay at the W3C.

Those are only two parts of the stack.

Standards are only one part of making a network.

There are a lot of possibilities for documentation and developer coordination elsewhere.

I hope that helps.

smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊)

@J12t @evan @jamiexml

I advocate 2 locations as place-to-be for helping #ActivityPub and #Fediverse move forward.

Yes, the #W3C #SWICG for the AS/AP open standards tracks and mailing list discussion. But also the #SocialHub where #FEP's are discussed and a huge archive of dev discussion is collected.

For years they went hand in hand re:collab, then the SWICG turned inactive while the forum did not. Now looks like there's some split happening.

socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/

codeberg.org/fediverse/fep

@J12t @evan @jamiexml

I advocate 2 locations as place-to-be for helping #ActivityPub and #Fediverse move forward.

Yes, the #W3C #SWICG for the AS/AP open standards tracks and mailing list discussion. But also the #SocialHub where #FEP's are discussed and a huge archive of dev discussion is collected.

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