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@Ulzana @Niall @chu This is a silly, juvenile statement. Pretending a religious book would solve any political problem is at best ridiculous. The political reality on the ground is what we must deal with. Biden’s record/decisions speak for themselves. That you take issue with one discrete fact is ludicrous on its face. I could trumpet his work on EVs, battery production and manufacturing. Governing is about choices, not perfection. 115 comments
Another "Ludicrous Fact" is that one of Biden's campaign promises is that there would be NO MORE permits issued for fossil fuel production. Ludicrously he's issued MORE permits than Trump @Ulzana @Niall @chu You are railing on facts out of context. Obama allowed more fracking than anyone. Why would he have chosen to do that? Why is Biden making these choices, as he passes the most important green legislation of our lifetimes? Why re-enter the Paris accords? I could quote 15 more *green* items from this administration, esp from the EPA. Do they balance out this year’s fosssil fuel issues? Governing is about choice, not perfection. I was not a fan of Obama, but SORRY, thanks to Biden the US is the Largest Producer of Fossil Fuels in the World. @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu migrating off fossil fuels is important, but it can't be done overnight When the fossil fuels become unaffordable by many, you can't use that as an opportunity to stop production of fossil fuels, at their expense You have to work on expanding green and nuclear energy production. And Biden's admin did that too "Why re-enter the Paris accords? I could quote 15 more *green* items from this administration, esp from the EPA. Do they balance out this year’s fosssil fuel issues? " Why yes, yes, by 2050 we will be a zero producer of fossil fuels. Of course that MIGHT NOT come true, but no sweat I will be Long Dead, and WON'T comment. @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu @ChevalierDesMots @MiriShuli @Niall @chu Sorry, I'm an Atheist... 🙂 On the other hand since I'm already 75, I think I'm being pretty Conservative with my timing. @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu @ChevalierDesMots @MiriShuli @Niall @chu It's not part of my routine to "make war" on religion. On the other hand, I'm NOT Agnostic, I'm an Atheist. @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu @ChevalierDesMots @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu No. Laws are made by humans, ideally for humans and other sentient beings. The unfounded beliefs of religion should have no place in them. People who say atheism is a religion are inherently admitting that religion is inferior to evidence and logic. @hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu @hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu Please check out the concept of "religion" from its source books.  @ChevalierDesMots @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu Atheism is a religion like "off" is a TV channel or "not collecting stamps" is a hobby. @ChevalierDesMots @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu @hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu @ChevalierDesMots @hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu Old books that claim that the world is flat and pi is 3 are not "evidence" of anything. @TomSwirly @hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu Please you also study Modern Philosophy to be able to question your concept of "evidence". @ChevalierDesMots @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu No. Why (on earth) say that? @hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu @ChevalierDesMots @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu Those books seem to be mainly about mathematics. You cite Bertrand Russell. I doubt you have read him on religion. @hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu @TomSwirly @hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu People who declare "why I am not a Christian" never explain their "RELIGION+LAW" so that people can compare their RELIGION+LAW with the Christians' RELIGION+LAW. Why? @TomSwirly @hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu @hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu By the way Russell never accepted modern philosophical investigations questioning his language, that is why before he died he asked people to bury him somewhere no one knows where😅 @hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu Please read them before you say "seem to be mainly mathematics". @hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu When you start reading them you will be very, very sorry that you haven't started reading them long before..... @hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu and the rest of your life you will thank me to remind you the existence of those books. @ChevalierDesMots @hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu I'm sorry, but do you not have any conception of how rude and conceited you appear? @TomSwirly @hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu Also question your concept of "rude" and "conceited". @ChevalierDesMots @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu You think "I am" is not synonymous with "I exist"? But you're right, s/he/it/they never said that - or anything else. We have only very fallible humans claiming to know what s/he/it/they said. @hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu NO! I think "I am" is equal to "I exist". In the Qur'an the God never declared "I exist". The God -> REAL. But of course existentialists reduced the concept "REAL" to the concept "exist" to save their bewitchment via language. @hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu "Governing is about choice, not perfection." I don't need to rebut your statement. It speaks volumes.  @Ulzana @Niall @chu @MiriShuli who, in your opinion, would be better? Be specific and state the why and the how of it (exactly how that person will navigate this minefield of government to achieve green goals) or sit down. @MeeMee @Niall @chu @MiriShuli There are a number of Democrats who have DEMANDED that Biden declare a Climate Emergency. I will support ANY of them @MiriShuli @Niall @Ulzana @chu and how will they get that passed through Congress? How will they get states to comply? @MeeMee @MiriShuli @Niall @chu Is Biden making speeches every week about the dangers of Climate Change? 65 percent of the American People WANT the government to ACT NOW. BUT IF THERE ARE NO PROPOSALS, I GUESS IT DOESN'T MATTER. Great Leaders after all shouldn't risk Corporate Profits. @MiriShuli @chu @Ulzana @Niall did you miss the actual things that are being done that the other commenter posted or are you being willfully ignorant? @MeeMee @MiriShuli @chu @Niall It seems to me that the only one who is being "willfully Ignorant' is you. You seem to believe that Humanity can wait twenty five or thirty years before we worry about this Climate Hoax. Sorry, I think the "handwriting is on the wall." @chu @MiriShuli @Niall @Ulzana you seem to think that small steps to address the issue are a waste of time and that, “let’s DEMAND” it now is some kind of solution. How does that work exactly? Still haven’t answered my question. @MeeMee @chu @MiriShuli @Niall @Ulzana Ah, I first remember hearing about small steps in the Nixon administration! And I've heard it every year since. We needed to take small steps 50 years ago. Now we need to decarbonize by 90% in a decade to avoid catastrophe. Small steps are worse than useless because they convince people that something is being done when it is not. @MeeMee @MiriShuli @chu @Ulzana @Niall None of these things is even 1% adequate to the massive, existential problem facing the world. It is like using a teaspoon to put out a forest fire. We need to decrease our carbon dioxide output by 90% over a decade. But the current plans will have us producing about 10% more CO2 in a decade. @MiriShuli @chu @Ulzana @Niall still haven’t answered my question. Speeches are great but how, specifically, will one of the democratic demands be met through legislation? What are THEIR plans to go about it? @MeeMee @MiriShuli @chu @Ulzana @Niall Repeating the phrase "still haven't answered my question" over and over is both disrespectful, and and content-free. Do better.  @Ulzana @MeeMee @Niall @chu @MiriShuli +1 to that, as others may then follow the US, big hint to our oil loving PM in the UK there. @batyalee @chu @Ulzana @Niall @MiriShuli 🎯 @MiriShuli @Ulzana @Niall @chu I think the reference to the bible was a mere rhetorical flourish, not a serious claim that it has all the answers. |
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@MiriShuli @Niall @chu
"That you take issue with one discrete fact is ludicrous on its face."
Good, good. I am STUPID enough to believe that Climate Change is the Greatest Threat to Human existence in the history of Humanity.
Aside from the record production of Fossil Fuels Biden ALSO agreed to spend NO MORE MONEY on combating it. He called that decision, "Responsible Government."
I know, I know, I have to be crazy to worry about the Hoax of Climate Change.