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David Barkin

@MiriShuli @Niall @chu

Another "Ludicrous Fact" is that one of Biden's campaign promises is that there would be NO MORE permits issued for fossil fuel production.

Ludicrously he's issued MORE permits than Trump

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Miriam Jacobs

@Ulzana @Niall @chu You are railing on facts out of context. Obama allowed more fracking than anyone. Why would he have chosen to do that? Why is Biden making these choices, as he passes the most important green legislation of our lifetimes? Why re-enter the Paris accords? I could quote 15 more *green* items from this administration, esp from the EPA. Do they balance out this year’s fosssil fuel issues?

Governing is about choice, not perfection.

David Barkin

@MiriShuli @Niall @chu

I was not a fan of Obama, but SORRY, thanks to Biden the US is the Largest Producer of Fossil Fuels in the World.

EyalL

@Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu migrating off fossil fuels is important, but it can't be done overnight

When the fossil fuels become unaffordable by many, you can't use that as an opportunity to stop production of fossil fuels, at their expense

You have to work on expanding green and nuclear energy production. And Biden's admin did that too

David Barkin

@MiriShuli @Niall @chu

"Why re-enter the Paris accords? I could quote 15 more *green* items from this administration, esp from the EPA. Do they balance out this year’s fosssil fuel issues? "

Why yes, yes, by 2050 we will be a zero producer of fossil fuels.

Of course that MIGHT NOT come true, but no sweat I will be Long Dead, and WON'T comment.

KIZILELMALILAR Ummeti

@Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu
Say:
"But I will be safely after the grave - by the will of the God."

David Barkin

@ChevalierDesMots @MiriShuli @Niall @chu

Sorry, I'm an Atheist... 🙂

On the other hand since I'm already 75, I think I'm being pretty Conservative with my timing.

KIZILELMALILAR Ummeti replied to David

@Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu
It is good to be sorry to be an Atheist. Be Atheist except the God. Only the God is real, the rest of them not god. So be Atheist for them except the God.

David Barkin replied to KIZILELMALILAR

@ChevalierDesMots @MiriShuli @Niall @chu

It's not part of my routine to "make war" on religion. On the other hand, I'm NOT Agnostic, I'm an Atheist.

KIZILELMALILAR Ummeti replied to David

@Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu
The concept "religion" contains the uses of the concept "law" as well. As an Atheist you have a religion+law which your way of life is based on.

Hugh Young replied to KIZILELMALILAR

@ChevalierDesMots @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu

No. Laws are made by humans, ideally for humans and other sentient beings. The unfounded beliefs of religion should have no place in them.

People who say atheism is a religion are inherently admitting that religion is inferior to evidence and logic.

KIZILELMALILAR Ummeti replied to Hugh

@hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu
Please check out the revealed books how the word "religion" is used in them. The concept "law" is dropped from the concept of "religion" to dominate the religious people by secularists.
Although secularism itself is a religion too.

KIZILELMALILAR Ummeti replied to Hugh

@hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu Please check out the concept of "religion" from its source books.

Tom Ritchford replied to KIZILELMALILAR

@ChevalierDesMots @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu

Atheism is a religion like "off" is a TV channel or "not collecting stamps" is a hobby.

Hugh Young replied to KIZILELMALILAR

@ChevalierDesMots @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu
I'm not sorry. I'm glad to be free of a closed system of thought based on evidence-free dogma and ancient wild speculation.

KIZILELMALILAR Ummeti replied to Hugh

@hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu
What about your evidence free dogma then?!
What about the God send prophets and books like Torah, Bible, Qur'an?

Tom Ritchford replied to KIZILELMALILAR

@ChevalierDesMots @hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu

Old books that claim that the world is flat and pi is 3 are not "evidence" of anything.

KIZILELMALILAR Ummeti replied to Tom

@TomSwirly @hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu Please you also study Modern Philosophy to be able to question your concept of "evidence".

Hugh Young

@ChevalierDesMots @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu

No. Why (on earth) say that?
Even if there were a god or god/dess/es, it wouldn't make any difference.

KIZILELMALILAR Ummeti replied to Hugh

@hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu
The God never, ever says that "I exist", so your saying "even if there were a god" means nothing ?!
I suggest you study modern philosophy, here are some list of books:
chevalier-des-mots.blogspot.co

Hugh Young replied to KIZILELMALILAR

@ChevalierDesMots @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu

Those books seem to be mainly about mathematics. You cite Bertrand Russell. I doubt you have read him on religion.

KIZILELMALILAR Ummeti replied to Hugh

@hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu
No it is NOT about mathematics only, mathematics is using language that is why it is included to the Philosophical Investigations = conceptual investigations.

KIZILELMALILAR Ummeti replied to Tom

@TomSwirly @hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu People who declare "why I am not a Christian" never explain their "RELIGION+LAW" so that people can compare their RELIGION+LAW with the Christians' RELIGION+LAW. Why?

KIZILELMALILAR Ummeti replied to KIZILELMALILAR

@TomSwirly @hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu
If you are NOT Christian, you are Atheist, then please disclose your RELIGION+LAW that your way of life is based on, so that we know the difference between your RELIGION+LAW and the Christian RELIGION+LAW.
Do us a favor please.

KIZILELMALILAR Ummeti replied to Hugh

@hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu By the way Russell never accepted modern philosophical investigations questioning his language, that is why before he died he asked people to bury him somewhere no one knows where😅

KIZILELMALILAR Ummeti replied to Hugh

@hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu Please read them before you say "seem to be mainly mathematics".

KIZILELMALILAR Ummeti replied to Hugh

@hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu When you start reading them you will be very, very sorry that you haven't started reading them long before.....

KIZILELMALILAR Ummeti replied to Hugh

@hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu and the rest of your life you will thank me to remind you the existence of those books.

Tom Ritchford replied to KIZILELMALILAR

@ChevalierDesMots @hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu

I'm sorry, but do you not have any conception of how rude and conceited you appear?

KIZILELMALILAR Ummeti replied to Tom

@TomSwirly @hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu Also question your concept of "rude" and "conceited".

Tom Ritchford replied to KIZILELMALILAR

@ChevalierDesMots @hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu

You wrote.

> and the rest of your life you will thank me to remind you the existence of those books.

Hugh Young replied to KIZILELMALILAR

@ChevalierDesMots @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu

You think "I am" is not synonymous with "I exist"? But you're right, s/he/it/they never said that - or anything else. We have only very fallible humans claiming to know what s/he/it/they said.

KIZILELMALILAR Ummeti replied to Hugh

@hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu NO! I think "I am" is equal to "I exist". In the Qur'an the God never declared "I exist". The God -> REAL. But of course existentialists reduced the concept "REAL" to the concept "exist" to save their bewitchment via language.

KIZILELMALILAR Ummeti replied to Hugh

@hugh @Ulzana @MiriShuli @Niall @chu
I suggest you start study Modern Philosophy to enable yourself to conceptual investigations. Investigate your concepts od "God,exist,real,etc."

David Barkin

@MiriShuli @Niall @chu

"Governing is about choice, not perfection."

I don't need to rebut your statement. It speaks volumes.

Tom Ritchford

@MiriShuli @Ulzana @Niall @chu

> Why is Biden making these choices, as he passes the most important green legislation of our lifetimes?

Legislation that is, however, totally inadequate to the crisis.

You'd think they could at least turn off the fossil fuel subsidies, but no.

Probably for the same reason that Obama did this: archive.thinkprogress.org/obam

The US is the largest producer of oil in the world, thanks to Obama and now Biden.

@MiriShuli @Ulzana @Niall @chu

> Why is Biden making these choices, as he passes the most important green legislation of our lifetimes?

Legislation that is, however, totally inadequate to the crisis.

You'd think they could at least turn off the fossil fuel subsidies, but no.

Probably for the same reason that Obama did this: archive.thinkprogress.org/obam

DSJezebell

@Ulzana @Niall @chu @MiriShuli who, in your opinion, would be better? Be specific and state the why and the how of it (exactly how that person will navigate this minefield of government to achieve green goals) or sit down.

David Barkin

@MeeMee @Niall @chu @MiriShuli

There are a number of Democrats who have DEMANDED that Biden declare a Climate Emergency. I will support ANY of them

DSJezebell

@MiriShuli @Niall @Ulzana @chu and how will they get that passed through Congress? How will they get states to comply?

David Barkin

@MeeMee @MiriShuli @Niall @chu

Is Biden making speeches every week about the dangers of Climate Change?

65 percent of the American People WANT the government to ACT NOW.

BUT IF THERE ARE NO PROPOSALS, I GUESS IT DOESN'T MATTER.

Great Leaders after all shouldn't risk Corporate Profits.

DSJezebell replied to David

@MiriShuli @chu @Ulzana @Niall did you miss the actual things that are being done that the other commenter posted or are you being willfully ignorant?

David Barkin replied to DSJezebell

@MeeMee @MiriShuli @chu @Niall

It seems to me that the only one who is being "willfully Ignorant' is you.

You seem to believe that Humanity can wait twenty five or thirty years before we worry about this Climate Hoax.

Sorry, I think the "handwriting is on the wall."

DSJezebell replied to David

@chu @MiriShuli @Niall @Ulzana you seem to think that small steps to address the issue are a waste of time and that, “let’s DEMAND” it now is some kind of solution. How does that work exactly? Still haven’t answered my question.

Tom Ritchford replied to DSJezebell

@MeeMee @chu @MiriShuli @Niall @Ulzana

Ah, I first remember hearing about small steps in the Nixon administration! And I've heard it every year since.

We needed to take small steps 50 years ago. Now we need to decarbonize by 90% in a decade to avoid catastrophe.

Small steps are worse than useless because they convince people that something is being done when it is not.

Tom Ritchford replied to DSJezebell

@MeeMee @MiriShuli @chu @Ulzana @Niall

None of these things is even 1% adequate to the massive, existential problem facing the world.

It is like using a teaspoon to put out a forest fire.

We need to decrease our carbon dioxide output by 90% over a decade. But the current plans will have us producing about 10% more CO2 in a decade.

DSJezebell replied to David

@MiriShuli @chu @Ulzana @Niall still haven’t answered my question. Speeches are great but how, specifically, will one of the democratic demands be met through legislation? What are THEIR plans to go about it?

Tom Ritchford replied to DSJezebell

@MeeMee @MiriShuli @chu @Ulzana @Niall Repeating the phrase "still haven't answered my question" over and over is both disrespectful, and and content-free.

Do better.

Paul Sutton

@Ulzana @MeeMee @Niall @chu @MiriShuli

+1 to that, as others may then follow the US, big hint to our oil loving PM in the UK there.

@batyalee

@Ulzana @MeeMee @Niall @chu @MiriShuli
Congress, not the President, is the part of government that makes policy and laws. A president is not a king. Right now, the Republican chaos agents are running the House and They. Don't. Care.

DSJezebell

@batyalee @chu @Ulzana @Niall @MiriShuli 🎯
That part. If we don’t elect Dems then nothing will happen. We need a Dem that will get the votes of a majority. Period. How is anyone not understanding this yet? Voting Green (sorry, but true, wish it wasn’t but it is) or 3rd party splits the dem vote and gets us exactly where we are now. Full stop! It’s all hands on deck and people are still wasting time with “what if?” 🤦🏽‍♀️

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