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Andrew (bookseller era)

Here's your irregular reminder that:

Twitter was a multi-billion dollar company with thousands of employees.

Mastodon is a niche hobbyist product run by volunteers

The fact that we're being seen as a viable alternative to them is an admission that a federated, decentralized future is not only possible, but desirable.

Mastodon is not one thing, or one place. It's a network of many things and many places. We don't have a spokesperson (I mean, there's me. I'm the official spokesperson for 💯 of the fediverse, but beyond me there is no spokesperson) we don't have consensus on moderation or blocking or tools or what is good and what is bad. Some of us are professional SREs and Sysadmins, some of us aren't. Some of our instances have been around for 5+ years, some won't be here in six months.

And that's good! All of it, every last bit of it is good.

We're wrestling power away from the billionaire class, in real time, and reclaiming it for the People.

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Andrew (bookseller era)

We're wrestling power away from the billionaire class, in real time.

This is bigger than some technical standard.

This is cultural, political, and economic.

We represent an existential threat to the business model of some of the most wealthy corporations on the planet, and I'll be damned if I'm going to let anyone take that away from us without fighting against it with everything I have.

We are standing on the precipice of a transformative shift in the way we, as a society, relate to one another through the internet.

We are moving away from a Broadcast and Toward a conversation.

We're wrestling power away from the billionaire class, in real time.

This is bigger than some technical standard.

This is cultural, political, and economic.

We represent an existential threat to the business model of some of the most wealthy corporations on the planet, and I'll be damned if I'm going to let anyone take that away from us without fighting against it with everything I have.

Andrew (bookseller era)

This is mutual aid, this is anticapitalism, this is collaborative ideation.

We are living revolutionary values, right here, right now, on a silly little social media network.

And I will fight to my last breathe any God Damn corporation that tries to Monetize that.

This is the future, and you're a part of it now. Be a good steward of the future.

Aral Balkan

@ajroach42 Which is why we also have to be vigilant about corporations capturing the narrative via corporate proxies like the W3C (who are already publicly patting themselves on the back for having gifted us the fediverse).

Lisa

@ajroach42 Thanks so much for enabling this! 👏🏽

Mike 🍁:verified:

@ajroach42 Well, Trump already did by stealing the S/W for his Truth Social.

Andrew (bookseller era)

@ravensview And the folks running it are losing money hand over fist and have been blocked from the majority of the network.

sj_zero
I don't know that being against billionaires and corporations is
necessarily anticapitalism (private control of capital is what gives us the freedom to create our own websites), but besides that point I agree with everything you've written.

These megacorps have gotten too big for their britches, and they've forgotten we don't actually need them.
Torgny Bjers

@ajroach42 The main caveats I see are ISPs trying to throttle things if you self-host, as well as people just paying even more money to Amazon, DO, and others.

Andrew (bookseller era)

@torgny ... Lots of folks self host on raspberry pis and similar on home connections without giving any money to DO.

Amazon is far from the only cloud provider.

Are you sincerely worried, or are you concern trolling because we don't all run co-los? (I'm working on it, but physical infra takes time.)

Adversarial Geography

@ajroach42

As a new user, I couldn't be happier to have found this place. The core philosophy and intended user experience of this platform feels like a very positive evolution of the technology that connects us.

Learning how to participate and contribute, however, has been a bit of an uphill battle. I wish that there were more resources for onboarding new users.

Francis ☑️

@ajroach42 it's fantastic that such a gem as #mastodon was just waiting in the wings ready to go when #twitter imploded.

Andrew (bookseller era)

@wtfrank we've spent years (decades?) Building it to be ready for such a moment.

Jeff

@ajroach42 too big to fail was always a lie.

harmonicarichard

@ajroach42 the web has always been by enthusiastic people for decades. It’s only recently that we have relied on billion dollar companies.

MrGoatee

@ajroach42 *was* a company with thousands of employees.

Morten Jacobsen

@ajroach42 Thanks for info. I’m happy to be here! After seeing twitter’s demise unfolding real-time and then having an alternative I’m considering myself as a lucky guy. I wish you the best in maintaining the service!

Fundt

@ajroach42 I admire what you're doing. Not that my admiration is worth much. But I suspect you can multiply me by hundreds of thousands now, and millions shortly.

Hairy Larry

@ajroach42

Bottom up decentralization.

And after Mastodon replaces Twitter nobody will be able to buy it and break it.

DHeadshot's Alt

@hairylarry @ajroach42 They can break it (sadly), just not buy it. The fediverse feels like it is starting to struggle under the weight of the influx, so if they chose their moment, a DDOS could do it in. Not that they can keep that up though, so it'll be back...

Debster

@ajroach42 confused. I loaded it in on iPad, but cannot sign in on my phone. Shouldn’t I just be able to sign in? It says my email address and password don’t match, but I know it is correct. It’s exactly what I used when I set it up on my iPad but again, I cannot “ sign in” on iPhone.

Dan Proctor

@ajroach42 the power of workers refusing to be bullied, in large numbers, is quite clear - yet again.

Workers built Twitter and a billionaire trashed it. I'm looking forward to a more breathable, community driven space.

ElGonzales :linuxmint:

@danproctor @ajroach42
In 1863 a song for german workers movement was composed. A famous rhyme of it was
"Mann der Arbeit aufgewacht und erkenne deine Macht. Alle Räder stehen still, Wenn Dein starker Arm es will. "
Means roughly:

Man of labor awake and know thy power. All wheels stand still when your strong arm wills it.

Kars

@ajroach42
I'm going to contribute to the Patreon because this is the business model that I want as well. I don't want an algorithm deciding how services should be paid for. Subscription is the way to go.

Andrew (bookseller era)

@kars Which patreon? The general mastodon one? (Good) or your instance admin? (better, IMO)

Kars

@ajroach42 that was my next question, so are you suggesting that I support my instance over the general mastodon. The only thing is that I chose my instance by hazard and mastodon by intention.
Now what would you suggest?

Andrew (bookseller era)

@kars

Lots of people support the development of the mastodon protocol. Maybe not enough, but a lot.

Fewer people support the individual instance administrators, who shoulder most of the burden of new users.

Juno Baker

@ajroach42 that's great. I'd like to quote you in a blog I'm writing, if that's okay?

Andrew (bookseller era)

@JunoBaker If you'd like to quote a small portion of what I've said, be my guest. If you'd like to use a sizable portion (more than a few lines) of what I've said, feel free to under the terms of the Creative Commons Share Alike CC-BY-SA 4.0 license.

DutchFlyGuys

@ajroach42 You are awesome! Thank you for all your time and effort🙏🏻

Babu Menos 💬

@ajroach42

I love your, well — not thread, apparently, rather, last three consecutive toots. I also read your blog post (this one: ajroach42.com/what-everyone-se) and found quite some interesting points there, too. Thanks for sharing!

Babu Menos 💬

@ajroach42

You are of course right, it *is* a thread! Sorry; when I saw it first I didn’t see the +1 next to the reply icon.

Thanks for the recommendation; I find the idea of small things/small web intriguing and will bookmark (right now I’m otherwise engaged).

Let me now add what I meant to say earlier but forgot to mention, though: I like your website’s design a lot! A lot of old-screen nostalgia plus a bit of motherfuckingwebsite.com feel. I enjoy that!

Arthur Jones Jr

@ajroach42 Thanks for all you have down. The safe space feels good.

dex3703

@ajroach42 Thanks for this. I hadn't reflected on the greater promise of figuring out another new thing. Opportunity cost aside, I'm glad Mastodon got an own-goal boost from Musk, so we could fumble toward that openness that's possible here, but never there. Just the shift in mindset I needed.

Pooh Sticks

@ajroach42 What is remarkable is how relatively hitch free Mastodon has been in scaling up to meet demand. That's a testament both to the efforts of those running servers and also the robustness of the protocol and coding.

Shambolic Matter

@ajroach42 It's not a Big Truck. It's a series of Toots!

BlueDahlia

@ajroach42 …and I’m happy to be here for it! Thanks for what you do.

PYP

@ajroach42 For me that sounds like the beginning of Linux nearly 30 years ago. A lot of good ideas, a lot of engaged people working night and days. And Linux OS is still there with always a lot of projects. Thanks for the job done.

Wildy :verified_paw:

@ajroach42

Okay, that last part was too good not to #shitpost

Cool thing: yes, it's happening!
Uncool thing: no, Fediverse will not solve all of the Internet's problems.

Rob Pomeroy

@ajroach42 Still, servers have got to be paid for. It'll be interesting to see how that is resolved as we scale up.

Andrew (bookseller era)

@robpomeroy I haven't had any trouble keeping my server funded, but ymmv.

Jim | Entwining

@ajroach42 And I appreciate the opportunity to join! I'm a new user and have really enjoyed the environment since coming on board.

AshmanTx

@ajroach42 Thank you for being a safe place to land. Some of us come with some ptsd from the comments section on Twitter.

Andra Dare

@ajroach42 billionaires all over the world are itching to get back to feudalism. The rest of us have to devise and enact strategies that will make their inhumane behavior extremely uncomfortable. Whether they admit it or not, the super wealthy are absolutely dependent on the rest of humanity for literally everything they have and everything they need. Watch the movie Captain Boycott. Based on real events. Very eye opening.

Whiskers Kenbrook

@ajroach42 Can I buy a Mastodon T-Shirt with that last bit? Good stuff. I am feeling at home here.

Andrew (bookseller era)

@Whiskerkenbrook If you're serious, I can have one in my online store tomorrow, it'll be $15.

Whiskers Kenbrook

@ajroach42 absolutely. I wasn't aware there was a store or Mastodon logo'd stuff, please link.

Andrew (bookseller era)

@Whiskerkenbrook Oh, there's no kind of official store that I'm aware of. I'm just an instance admin who sells tshirts.

Whiskers Kenbrook

@ajroach42 sure, post a pic of what you come up with. I'd expect this will be a thing soon enough. @tek you got something too?

Andrew (bookseller era)

@Whiskerkenbrook @tek

Realizing now that I have no idea how the little mascot image is licensed. I'll have to figure that out before I can make the design available for sale.

Andrew (bookseller era)

@Whiskerkenbrook @tek The logo was included in the original release, so it's AGPL'd. It might also be trademarked, according to wikipedia, but it isn't included in the current brand kit, so I'm going to say it's probably fine.

My costs have gone up, and I did a sleeve print, so it's $16 and +1 for each extended size.

mountaintowntoys.com/product/m

Simpsonian

@ajroach42 this is stating to r mind of the internet in the early 90’s (when it was fun).

Dvd77

@ajroach42 it@will become the same when it grows up

Frances Wilmore

@ajroach42 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

Melissa Dieteman

@ajroach42 Keep up the good work, but remember, without net neutrality, wins could be temporary.

Schrödinger’s Catbox

@ajroach42 I hate to be a chowderhead, but I don’t plan on choosing between one or the other. That seems implicit in much of what I hear around these parts.

Ayyyy :catjam: :catjam:

This is legit one of the most based platforms on the internet

Diane Bruce

@ajroach42 Exactly. On twitter we were never the customer we were the product.
Time to prove Lippmann wrong.

Graeme

@ajroach42 Thank you! A relative newbie here and I'm so happy this is happening.

MotherChristmas

@ajroach42 I just help run an online support group on another platform and that's hard enough. In awe of all of you guys running this thing, it's astonishing ( and of course there will glitches and flaws, that's what keeps the humanity here). I'm still struggling to understand it, but the potential is immense - even I can see that.

Peter Brown

@ajroach42 this is exactly the same principle as community businesses. That is why our new island distillery is a community benefit society. It locks both the business and the profits into the community in perpetuity.
Of the island, by the island and for the island.

b3n

@ajroach42 this gave me a solid (good) chill. A physical shiver

Judge Three

@ajroach42 Can someone help explain “federated”? Seeing lots of variations of federated/fediverse!

Andrew (bookseller era)

@judgethree Sure!

but I'm not Someone, I'm Andrew. Hi, nice to meet you, thank you for responding to my toot.

You're on a server called ohai.social.

I'm on a server called retro.social.

These servers are not run by the same people. Different hardware, different rules, different administrators.

They are "federated" in that they all participate in the same network (or parts of the same network) but are all managed independently.

We're not fully peer-to-peer, not every user is running their own activeitypub compatible server, but we aren't fully centralized either. We're federated, we're in a federation.

Does that make sense, or should I try a different tactic?

@judgethree Sure!

but I'm not Someone, I'm Andrew. Hi, nice to meet you, thank you for responding to my toot.

You're on a server called ohai.social.

I'm on a server called retro.social.

These servers are not run by the same people. Different hardware, different rules, different administrators.

They are "federated" in that they all participate in the same network (or parts of the same network) but are all managed independently.

Catherine

@ajroach42 just paid my annual sub. Every little helps!

Andrew (bookseller era)

@Katescoot to the developer of the software, or the person who manages your instance?

Catherine

@ajroach42
jesus, not a scooby. Some lad said we should all contribute so followed a link to patreon and paypal. Have I fecked up?

Andrew (bookseller era)

@Katescoot Nah! Gargron built the software we all use, and giving him money is helpful to keep him supporting the software.

His work has largely been good in spite of his frequently contentious relationship with the community, and he built a lot of the foundation we're all standing on (though certainly not *all* of it. Many of us contributed, including the folks who got Activitypub standardized)

The deal is that he probably needs the money less than the person that runs the instance you're using. I dunno, I don't know much about the instance you're using, but generally speaking us instance admins fund our work out of pocket, and lose money keeping this place open.

@Katescoot Nah! Gargron built the software we all use, and giving him money is helpful to keep him supporting the software.

His work has largely been good in spite of his frequently contentious relationship with the community, and he built a lot of the foundation we're all standing on (though certainly not *all* of it. Many of us contributed, including the folks who got Activitypub standardized)

hot dog world champion eater

@ajroach42 that's great, now when will you releasea crypto coin and can it be based in some way in the hot dog if not in style than in essence at least? this would be great to a lot of people I've been told (in my DMs, in private))

Yeris Trotski

@ajroach42 decentralized is the future. and the future starts now.

Marina :blobcatenby: :antifa:

@ajroach42 In 70s Britain there was a #sitcom called Citizen Smith about Wolfie Smith, a young Marxist “urban guerrilla" in Tooting, London. The catchphrases were “Freedom for Tooting” and “Power to the people”. #freedom4tooting #powertothepeople

ÞeColourOfFear

@ajroach42 I would argue that it's more the fact that the layout is similar and people dislike change than anything

Lohoris 🦇

@ajroach42 other federated networks: the email, the telephone.

Virginia Wheaton

@ajroach42 How best to vet for bots and trolls here on mastodon?

Andrew (bookseller era)

@vwheato Hasn't been a huge problem so far. Bots are normally clearly labeled, and the ones that aren't tend to be delt with quickly.

Watch the #fediblock tag, I think that's probably the best way.

John Aziz 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🎸

@ajroach42 I wish we could wrestle power away from the billionaire class for some other things that Musk has his claws into:

Electric cars, renewable energy, space tech.
Power to the people!

wildflower

@ajroach42 I love you for this. I love the platform.

ReMy2Cents✅

@ajroach42

I love it here. Now to find great people to follow. 🙂

Goth Dino

@ajroach42 I have been trying to look for curating as much of a decentralized internet experience for myself that modern internet may allow me to have with most modern social media.
I really enjoy the way this is laid out and so far as a whole seems less stressful than other major social media in this.
I know I have been looking at things like neocities too to check out as well in trying to do this to make my own webpage in and everything. Reminding me of when I was a kid a lot.

Doc Edward Morbius ⭕​

@ajroach42 Whilst I strongly sympathise, there's a lot of daylight between "being seen as" and "is credibly".

Twitter was one of the smaller social networks, and yet boasts 166 million DAU (financesonline.com/number-of-t) (daily active users).

Mastodon ... might be breaking 1 million monthly actives (techcrunch.com/2022/11/07/boos).

We can argue about the merits and worth of scaling. But the point is that Mastodon has as yet not scaled.

(I'm writing from an instance whose notifications are lagged by about 5--6 hours and have been all day. The (volunteer) admin is aware, but also overloaded with other tasks.)

@ajroach42 Whilst I strongly sympathise, there's a lot of daylight between "being seen as" and "is credibly".

Twitter was one of the smaller social networks, and yet boasts 166 million DAU (financesonline.com/number-of-t) (daily active users).

Mastodon ... might be breaking 1 million monthly actives (techcrunch.com/2022/11/07/boos).

Andrew (bookseller era)

@dredmorbius Hey! I don't know what to take away from this.

It kinda feels like "yeah, it's great that this exists, too bad it's not even better"

I want to engage with it reasonably, but I can't figure out how.

As for the lag, we probably hit 2.8-3M MAUs today, and I've watched big commercial services choke under 3x growth. We're mostly still up, and mostly catching up. I think that's remarkable.

We haven't "replaced" twitter, and we won't "replace" twitter, but we are actively providing an alternative to ~2 million people.

@dredmorbius Hey! I don't know what to take away from this.

It kinda feels like "yeah, it's great that this exists, too bad it's not even better"

I want to engage with it reasonably, but I can't figure out how.

As for the lag, we probably hit 2.8-3M MAUs today, and I've watched big commercial services choke under 3x growth. We're mostly still up, and mostly catching up. I think that's remarkable.

Thinking Neanderthal

@ajroach42 this app if tumblr and twitter had a libertarian baby and I love it

山万重兮一云

@ajroach42 "fediverse" is even communistic because people share so many interesting things here for free.

Rai Aren 🖖✨📚🇺🇦

@ajroach42 I've only been here for a day, but I'm thoroughly enjoying it & appreciate what it offers 👍

Polychrome :clockworkheart:
@ajroach42 I'd like to offer a different, more somber take:

The reason the fediverse is seen as a viable alternative to Twitter is because the media won't shut up about it. And when I say "it" I don't mean fedi, I mean "The Mastodon Network" and its supposed sole creator.

They don't know how this place works, they don't care how it runs. The media wanted a sensational story with a clearly defined hero protagonist and the users just want to keep posting.
@ajroach42 I'd like to offer a different, more somber take:

The reason the fediverse is seen as a viable alternative to Twitter is because the media won't shut up about it. And when I say "it" I don't mean fedi, I mean "The Mastodon Network" and its supposed sole creator.
Matthew Dean

@ajroach42 where’s the evidence that its a sustainable business model though? 🤔

Andrew (bookseller era)

@matthewdean That's a joke, right? Please tell me that this is a joke.

Grunk

@ajroach42 Agreed. Overall, this is a much better posture to be in. However, I think the decentralization aspect of mastodon does put a spotlight on just how much of a luxury or privilege meaningful speech is on the internet. Here in mast'land, at least for the few golden hours I've been here, openness, meaningfulness, and ultimately personableness between the masses are more prominent than at birdsite.

One Love One Planet

@ajroach42 thank you for your work. I have just done a One Love One Planet podcast called Power to the People / Sortition which is all about the harnessing of ordinary citizens to help govern. Also very desirable!

Mona Sigal MD

@ajroach42 and I am here for it!!! I have only one regret: that I didn’t know about mastodon sooner! Thanks, Elon!

Jean C

@ajroach42 It is so VERY interesting, the whole setup - seems to me to be close to the original internet setup! Thank you, you and all your colleagues on the other servers - it's very exciting to this old COBOL programmer!

Ascadia

@ajroach42 Ultimately I firmly believe Mastodon will fail simply because the new user onboarding experience is rough, but it’s a super interesting experiment and will no doubt lay the groundwork for networks to come.

BMcRaeC@mastadon.social

@ajroach42 Love that "was" there. And a great reminder, as many of us try and cram over a decade of follows and interactions into a few days/weeks.

antipode77

Twitter acts as a monopoly.

That’s essentially the nub of the problem right there - monopolies are private governments, and have governing power.

Private governments nobody ever voted for 😱

Today’s confused idea that chartered corporations are private entities, akin to ordinary people, is the anomaly.

Why Is Anti-Monopoly Cool Again? Part I (Big issue 6-24-2019)
mattstoller.substack.com/p/why

Portichae

@ajroach42 hello, is there a help or a good tutorial to follow in order to better get acquainted with mastodon and how it works?

Pam Benoit

@ajroach42 I understand trump truth social is part of the Fediverse? If so, how do I block it from seeing me and/or interacting with me? Thank you!

JakeNews

@ajroach42 Cheers and thank all of you for it.

Jason

@ajroach42 I can’t repeat this enough. It’s proof that we can have the tools we want and need without the compromise that comes centralized, proprietary services and the billionaires they create.

President Warren G. Harding

@ajroach42 I don’t know that people are moving because they know or even care that it’s decentralized, the primary enjoyment of Twitter is dissemination of information and communication with the written word. On the face of it, Mastodon is that, albeit with extra steps, and a leadership that’s actually anti-racism.

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