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So, big news yesterday. I'm appalled at the impact this will have on the #Unity ecosystem, and #gamedev at large. There's just no way this can lead to anything good for anyone. #GodotEngine is getting a lot of positive attention in reaction, so I want to address a few things. 🧵 28 comments
I also strongly believe that such decisions shouldn't be rushed, and taken out of spite and anger. Unity's install fee will likely be withdrawn given the backlash, but the writing's on the wall and the trust is broken. Use the time you have available to consider options fairly. I love that you're eyeing Godot, but take your time to weigh the pros and cons. It's a great engine, but no software is perfect and we don't want you to come to it in panic, and end up frustrated that it might not be the drop-in replacement for what you had to leave behind. More than anything, we want people to have access to technology that empowers them to create the games they want to make, and have a good experience doing so. Godot is one such option, but there are many others, both FOSS and proprietary. Try out a few before settling again! If you need insights into where Godot is at currently, and where it's headed, I'm happy to discuss it. You can ask questions in this thread, or DM me or @Emi. If you're going to consider Godot for your games, we want you to do it in the right conditions so you can thrive. @akien @Emi I totally agree with you. I have the opinion that many just overreacted to the news. At the same time I don't think that Unity decision is just pure greediness. If a game is making $200000 with more than 200000 installations, it'll be *honest from my side* to pay the tool that's making this possible. We could discuss if $0.20 for installation is too much, anyway. That being said, developers should show their appreciation by supporting (with $$$) even FOSS products like Godot. @redblacktree @akien @Emi Mmm... I don't think the example is fitting. With Visual Studio you are paying for a tool. The runtime, in this case, is Windows (or the OS, anyway). You don't have to pay for that. With Unity you are paying a fee to use and distribute the runtime, much like when you pay for installing an OS an and embedded device (WindowsCE, for example). @mode13h @Tom_ofB @redblacktree @akien @Emi Well... you don't need to use the Visual C++ Redistributable Package. It's been years but I've developed many application w/o using it and depending *only* on native Windows libraries. But you are right when the redistributable package is used (as MFC did, IIRC). Sorry for the oversight. @mode13h @akien @Emi I think the issue is distrust. Someone brought up that the installation fee is really per "installation", not per "purchase", so if I buy a game, then reinstall it three 3, I just cost the developer 60 cents. This could be used for malicious intents (there's people out there). Furthermore, someone raised the flag that this sounds like Unity is implementing spyware in games without developer's consent (or end-users). @TheMarshmallowBear @akien @Emi Unity has clarified this point, only single purchase are counted (multiple installs of the same don't sum up). Spyware? It they would be using some kind of DRM it would be only reasonable. We are all protesting about it (i.e. DRM) since... ever! :D @TheMarshmallowBear @akien @Emi I just think there's a lot of confusion at the moment. :) @mode13h @TheMarshmallowBear @akien @Emi How do they “count the purchase” of a DRM-free game bought on GOG without getting numbers directly from GOG? How do they differentiate a game bought in a Humble Bundle (that they claimed to not include)? How do they count installs for a WebGL game? How do they count installs for a Gamespass game? @mode13h In any case, I hope this will help Godot, but also that there won't be many people surprised by Godot's current state or way of doing thing because they didn't look into it too deeply before switching.  @mode13h I don't think it's an overreaction and I don't think the money is the main issue I agree paying for the tools you use is good The trouble is going to your customers and saying "oh by the way, you owe us a bunch of money now " If the fee was there from the beginning? That's fine, they can budget for that After the fact? Bit shit because now companies have to rebudget and find that money Plus, what's to stop them from adding other fees in the future? @mode13h my thought is that from the beginning this fee should have only applied to new projects. Existing projects should have been grandfathered into the old system @Wearwolf You are right (in this and your previous reply). I also think that existing projects should be excluded from the fee (and I *hope* that's the case). @akien @Emi I'm mostly wondering if Godot can handle a game of scale of something like Civilization (since that's the project I am working on in Unity). I'm mostly concerned about the inherent performance of rendering large hexes, storing the data, and handling all of that. (I'm sure LUa and SQL are doable inherently). A lot of what I read about 3D was kinda sus in terms of viability. I have used Godot 4 for a university project this year. web exports don't work on Apple devices. what's the reason it's not supported, and what's needed to make it work? Okay, here are my big questions: 1) Can I use Synty assets with Godot? 2) What about packages like Pixel Crushers' Dialogue System or More Mountains' TopDown Engine? 3) If Godot is compatible with Unity stuff, does it carry forward all of Unity's "backward compatibility" warts? @peterdrake @akien @Emi @LouisIngenthron 1. Mesh and material are relatively easy to import. I have 6 Synty pack imported with materials, including characters. Import fbx files into blender to create gltf. 2.Tools aren't compatible between unity and godot. Godot have two dialogue system that I remember. 3. Godot isn't compatible with Unity stuff. A team made a best effort to parse a package and import what is possible. Definitely agree, there are lots of great libre game engine options to consider. Godot is probably the most polished I know of, but if you're looking for others, here is a list of some projects to check out (in no particular order): O3DE - o3de.org @akien |
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Many Unity devs rightfully feel threatened by this change, and want to abandon ship after a series of bad leadership decisions.
Lots of people say they'll switch to Godot, or are considering it. I strongly believe that foundational tech should be #FOSS, so I welcome this, but...