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Sabrina, canid forest spirit

How fast was your first modem? Boost if you feel the nostalgia?

Units omitted because nomenclature has shifted over time and IFKYK.

Anonymous poll

Poll

300
632
12.6%
1200
446
8.9%
2400
661
13.2%
9600
324
6.5%
14.4
866
17.3%
28.8
460
9.2%
33.6
275
5.5%
56k
1,040
20.7%
128 or 1.544 or something else fancy
71
1.4%
I have only ever known broadband!
242
4.8%
5,017 people voted.
Voting ended 4 July at 14:07.
317 comments
Sabrina, canid forest spirit

I debated whether I should include the "something else fancy" option but one of you selected that. If you happen to see this comment, would you mind telling me what kind of connection that was?

Kevin Karhan :verified:

@sabi for the most part: #HSCSD @ 115,2 kBit/s (mostly due to throttling on #3G networks which peaked at 7,2MBit/s...

But the absolute first was 64kBit/s #ISDN...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@kkarhan more people than I thought had ISDN! I’ve only personally known one person who had an ISDN connection and it wasn’t his first. I did know the admin for my local ISP who at one point had four 33.6 modems in some sort of bonded configuration which was pretty rad but obviously not his first modem either.

Kevin Karhan :verified:

@sabi local telco offered 20hrs p.m. of ISDN with free channel bonding for ~ €15 p.m. back then...

Julius Schwartzenberg

@sabi @kkarhan had ISDN? I recently hooked up an ISDN phone again to make SIP calls ;)

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

300 baud putting in a strong showing as is 2400! Absolute classics!

Kevin Karhan :verified:

@sabi 300bps is super simple and just 4x the tty speed of 75bps...

2400bps is the limit that works on shitty phone booths with acoustic couplers...

The Doctor

@kkarhan @sabi Even if you gain access to the copper and patch in directly.

Kevin Karhan :verified:

@drwho @sabi depends on the #POTS / #PSTN system.

In some cases, that may be it...

- But I usually don't consider vandalism as a valid strategy when cyber-nomading...

The 2.400bps limit is what can be achieved with a Konnex Konnector Acoustic Coupler on the carbon/graphite mic & speakers of #US payphones...

In #Germany, your limit was 56kBit/s or 64kBit/s because #HyTNAS means you always get a V.92-capable line that gets switched to (also permanently present, but potentially disabled) #ISDN channel if you can just replace the handset, but with the absurd decision by @BNetzA to allow #DTAG to shutdown the #HyTNAS in favour of shitty #Vectoring-#DSL / #VDSL you can't get shit to work at all...

@drwho @sabi depends on the #POTS / #PSTN system.

In some cases, that may be it...

- But I usually don't consider vandalism as a valid strategy when cyber-nomading...

The 2.400bps limit is what can be achieved with a Konnex Konnector Acoustic Coupler on the carbon/graphite mic & speakers of #US payphones...

CowMan

@kkarhan @drwho @sabi @BNetzA 2400 was the first "big step", below that just too easy to out-type or out-read. It's also the fastest I could get working over satellite phone relay from the arctic (2-4s latency), quite robust to bad lines or the like.

Past that, everything of course became a bit quicker, but from 1200 -> 2400 on the BBS's for me felt like dial-up -> DSL.

Mike, First of His Name

@sabi I voted 300 as that was the first modem I owned myself, but the first one I used was a super cool 1200/75 that a friend had. 😎

Sjaak K.

@sabi
Where do I put sending a ZX Spectrum cassette tape by snail mail?

James Wells

@sabi
100 baud acoustically coupled phone modem... Then moved up to a 300 baud when I got into junior year of high school. Then I got really fancy and moved to a 2400 baud modem while I was in the Navy.

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@nikatjef interesting! I wasn’t aware of many sub-300 baud modems in consumer use. I thought those were primarily in expensive commercial and military applications.

James Wells

@sabi
They were definitely expensive, but I had a distant relative who got the modem for his Imsai 8080, which he gave to me in 1980

erin sparling

@sabi we had an audio-coupled 300 baud, but that was my mom’s. My first computer had a 2400bps, so that’s what I voted for.

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@everyplace nothing like your first computer that was really yours and wasn’t the family computer!

The Doctor

@sabi I hid the fact I had a modem from my folks for a couple of years.

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@drwho that’s not easy to do! Did they eventually find out or did you tell them?

Julia Rez

@sabi

The first modem I paid for with my own money was a 2400, but I've used 1200 kit for work. God, maybe even that 1200/75 filth.

Mendie :v_dgirl:

@sabi

I mean, I think the first one I could remember was 14 4. possibly had one, slower, before that.

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@engelke way more people with 110 than I expected! I thought 110 was pretty much limited to commercial and mil applications but apparently not!

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@isagalaev I’m curious how many people with later, faster modems like 33.6 had internal vs external modems

Mendie :v_dgirl:

@sabi

..... Why is the curve taking on the Cisco Logo?

I mean, yes, Cisco took that image for a reason, but still.

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@Mendie_Taoma responses have been shifting a lot based on who has been boosting. Early lead went to “fancy” options as Europeans with ISDN answered, then 300 took the lead, then 56k shot up, now 14.4 is rebounding

Mendie :v_dgirl:

@sabi

I had T1 in college, but other than ""Fancy"" I'm not sure where that falls.

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@Mendie_Taoma I would say T1 was definitely fancy. The first ISP in my hometown started with a T1

Joe Cooper 💾

@sabi first I used was a 300 baud VICMODEM that I borrowed from a friend for a couple months and I was immediately hooked on BBSes. The first modem I owned was a 1200 baud Commodore 1670 that I bought used at a computer swap meet, which I used with a C64 for a couple years and then with a 128D for another couple years, until I got an Amiga, when I finally upgraded to 9600.

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@swelljoe once you dialed in to a BBS once it was over, no going back!

Joe Cooper 💾

@sabi trading pirated games was just an excuse to visit a bunch of boards, I almost never played them.

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@swelljoe I was there for the door games and chat, no time for files

Josh Susser

@sabi first was 110 baud on an ASR 33 teletype. we were so excited when we got the 300 baud modem!

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@joshsusser a surprising amount of love for 110 baud in the comments!

Josh Susser

@sabi but so much hate for 110 back in the day! it wasn't all over how slow it was, but that it would so often drop the call halfway through downloading a big file to the papertape punch.

the Amygdalai Lama

@sabi
used it all at work, at home, 14.4, I guess

the Amygdalai Lama

@sabi
but honestly, I did all my remote work at 9600, I didn't trust the gear faster, and anyway I can't out-type 9600 😀

the Amygdalai Lama

@sabi
locked 'em in! @N6 or whatever the command was.
When I retired, someone surely had to go around programming them all as smart modems again. 😀

Thirzah

@sabi "omg the designers want to send another huge file?? when will they realise that not all of us have 56k???"

John Breen

@sabi Acoustic coupler 300baud terminal into CMU edu from my dorm, circa 1986

John Breen

@sabi Anybody remember SLIP ? (Serial Line Internet Protocol IIRC)

John Breen

@sabi First, let me explain to you a landline phone device circa 1986... 😎
Let's skip the whole ISDN era too please...

adamrice

@jab01701mid @sabi I bought MacSlip directly from the publisher—by which I mean I walked in their door and handed them money in exchange for a floppy.

John Breen

@adamrice @sabi Remember that time when you could write some software, put it on a floppy, and sell it to somebody for $200 or $2000, a few hundred or thousand times ? I miss those days...

John Breen

@sabi It was like a VPN, except on a serial terminal rather than a layer on a modern LAN...
And yes, I have thin ethernet terminators and TEE connectors, still readily available just in case...

Matt Hall

@sabi

300 with a BOOST toggle for 1200.

nu tas nekas :blobcatthumbsup:

@sabi 56k but over a radio "landline", whatever the hell that thing was called. Losses so bad it took five attempts to just connect.

I still somehow managed to accumulate an MP3 library!

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@virtulis my parents moved from a rural town to an even more rural town and for the longest time they couldn’t get a reliable connection over 21.9k and they couldn’t connect at all when it rained

Seth 🎙️:jawn_sg:

@sabi @Meyerweb oh the memories. I remember getting a 56k and thought it was blazing fast!

Fred Moyer

@sabi compression hardware doesn’t count right?

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@phredmoyer I’m mostly curious about advertised speed but compression hardware is interesting. Was this separate, dedicated hardware?

Shoq

@sabi what makes this feels especially accurate is the smaller numbers for 1200, 9600 and 33.6. The all had fairly short runs before being topped by successor speeds.

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@shoq this tracks and I was wondering if I would see that in results

parv

@sabi Somewhere between 14.4-33.6 kb/s.

Ross of Ottawa

@sabi First I owned was 2400, but first I used was the old phone in rubber cupped cradle with fake woodgrain 300baud one.

Camille Bacon-Smith

@sabi I am not very tech, so don't recall what my first modem at home was, but it ran through my phone line and it was well before the web--before hard drives on PC, for that matter. But I generally used the T3 line at school.

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@Camille sounds like it was on the low end of this range, maybe 300 to 1200 baud

Camille Bacon-Smith

@sabi Sounds about right. I know for a 10K doc I would set it to download onto a floppy, then go have a cup of tea,

Ángela Stella Matutina

@sabi

Remarkable number of us old-timers! I like this.

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@angelastella way more 110 and 300 baud than I expected! Lots of early adopters!

Ángela Stella Matutina

@sabi

This is a great network for people who are into retrocomputing, history or mere nostalgia.

Jona 🐳

@sabi All of us using ASR-33s and the like were 110.

Molly Cantrell-Kraig ✅

@sabi I’m an outlier, because even though I first started using the internet in 1993, I’ve never had dialup, only broadband.

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@mckra1g did you have broadband to the home in 1993 or was that through school/work or other organizations?

Molly Cantrell-Kraig ✅

@sabi

My home computer. I also worked at a daily newspaper, and we had a T1 line.

Patrick Johanneson 🚀

@sabi The first one I personally owned was probably 14.4, but in my first job in IT one of my duties was overseeing a university's dwindling stock of 300-baud modems, mostly used by faculty to check their email.

Regis - HTTP 1.1/418 Teapot

@sabi @feoh I did not own a 110 acoustic coupler but I used one when dinosaurs roamed the earth.

Keith J Grant

@sabi @Meyerweb I had not realized so many of these numbers have taken up permanent residence in my memory (“fourteen-four”, “twenty-eight-eight”)

Neil G4DBN

@sabi 300/75 with a rubber-cup acoustic coupler with a GPO 706 rotary dial telephone. I feel zero nostalgia.

Erin Brown

@sabi Looking forward to seeing the final results! It seems every time speed quadruples, there’s a boost in votes (yet the next speed in the order is less). I wonder, if the trend holds, what drove it? Cost? Market? Services? Fun and interesting poll! 🙂

NNN

@sabi when I went from 300 to 1200, it seemed like such a waste...

I couldn't even type that fast, so why!?...

Thomas 🔭🕹️

@sabi Midcentury Modem (not my first, but my oldest)

RC2014

@sabi
Having to go with 1200, although that was only the speed in one direction. Prism VTX-5000 was 1200/75 baud.

lapt0r

@sabi the first modem I remember was 14.4 but my mom ran a boutique software consultancy for a minute so there was probably older stuff in the house

cpm

@sabi

Doghouse BBS
300/1200/2400
n,8,1
24/7

Call or Die!

--cubic dog

@kirch

Thomas

@sabi That update from 300 to 1200 baud was still the most exciting bandwidth increase I've ever had

D C Ross

@sabi Technically, my first "modem" would have been a suitcase sized teletype with a thermal printer and acoustic coupler. I think it would have struggled with 110 bps.

Efi (nap pet) 🦊💤

@sabi I have no clue, I was to young to remember anything besides PPP and the noises

Micha

@sabi 64k (ISDN - we wanted to be online and make phone calls at the same time)

mirabilos

@sabi 56k but on the line I was able to acquire a usage permit for, I was only ever able to get slightly over 19k2bps, and since I used it with a slower 386 laptop for the first time I used setserial to configure the COM port down to that so the CPU could keep up with the interrupts

Rasmus Kaj

@sabi
I voted 1200, but symetry was kind of unusual back then, my first modem was 1200 downlink but only 300 up.

Kind of ok, things were mostly text only, and I read at least four times as fast as I typed ...

Jernej Simončič �

@sabi USRobotics Sportser Voice 33.6k

Sold it to a client at some point so they could use it to access online bank (which ignored certificate expiry when used with direct dial), then got it back once the bank removed dial-in and only supported Internet connection.

Chagrins

@sabi I believe we may have had less than 56k at some point while I was using the internet but I wasn't super aware of internet speeds till I was a bit older.

Gemma 👽

@sabi
I voted 1200, but honestly it might have been 2400. It wasn't even used for your fancy interneting with pictures! It was all telnet. Text-based adventure, if you can imagine. I used to help dad connect to the telnet bank and pay the bills. The very future was offered to us in the comfort of our home. Then it turned into... *gestures frantically at everything* whatever the fuck this is. :blobcat_wonder:

sortius

@sabi 28.8kbps of pure screaming!

When I moved to my first 56k modem I was like a god among friends

mraaaaak

@sabi 14.4 however this was firmly in the time when 56k was standard because, Jesus Christ With a Varta Cell Up His Bum, Time Computers of the UK were just hatefully atrocious.

William D. Jones

@sabi I've only ever known WinModems... those are all 33.6 or 56k, right?

T Alex Beamish

@sabi 300 was the second one. The first one was 110 baud, connected to a teletype in the High School's 'Computer Room'. It was a loud, slow way to do computing, but it was still awesome.

🏔️ owl 🌲

@sabi as far as i remember, we were on 56K before they built out the municipal fiber net to roughly everyone, in the late 90s/eqrly 00s.
can't remember if that was the first though. :)

Steveg58

@sabi
I worked professionally with 300 baud acoustic couplers and I didn't want any part of them!

Foone🏳️‍⚧️

@sabi my first was 2400, it came with my Packard Bell 486.

now, my first that WORKED? that's a different question, and that one was a 14.4

Steven Woolgar

@sabi funny since mine was less than 300, but I picked 300

Jon A. Cruz

@sabi 300 but not cradle. By the time I could afford one I got a fancy direct-connect one

Howard Chu @ Symas

@sabi I voted for the first one I ever bought (Avatex 1200baud direct connect) but the first one I used was a 300baud acoustic coupler at school. And I have an old 75/110 coupler I scavenged off an old TTY.

GVF 🇨🇦

@sabi My personal first was 300 baud.

But I did use 110 baud between a Decwriter terminal and a mainframe hundreds of miles away.

Aaron

@sabi Technically 14.4 in terms of dialing and using a modem myself - but I have sharp memories of my dad firing up a 300 baud modem with an 8-bit Atari 130XE. And actually still happen to have that exact 300 baud modem in a box... somewhere.

Janeishly

@sabi I don't actually know, but given that I first went online at university before the internet was even really a thing, I'm guessing 300 was probably my own first one.

neel chauhan
@sabi My parents only got broadband in 2005 (Adelphia cable modem). Before then we had AOL 56K dialup.
Angela Scholder

@sabi But quickly 14k4, 33k6, 56k, en ISDN TA before broadband.
First broadband 768/128...

Kevin Russell

@sabi

Gzzzzt, g'dang g'dang gsssshhhhhhhhh g'dang.

noahm

@sabi 300 baud with my Commodore 64. It came with a trial subscription to a commercial service called QLink, which (IIRC) was a predecessor to GEnie or one of the later generation commercial things.
Later, when I had an Amiga 500 with a 2400 baud modem and a CompuServe account, I'd often connect at 300 baud anyway, since it cost extra to connect at 2400 baud. I still managed to run up some eyewateringly large bills.

maya_b

@sabi

we had an "acoustic coupler" at home but that was something my dad connected way back when and did all the manual switch flipping on the back of the thing.

1200 was the first real modem modem

Lynn Grant

@sabi IIRC, my first was a Bell 101 modem, featuring a blazing 110 baud. It was on a Teletype ASR 33, and used to talk to a GE-435 time sharing system, circa 1971.

Ken Newquist

@sabi In my second job out of college (circa 1997), I used my then-ancient 1200 baud modem to connect to a newspaper editorial mainframe whose modem could *only* connect at 300 baud. I had to lifeboat off a few dozen in-process stories so that we could load them onto our new writing-and-pagination system.

Ed Wiebe

@sabi I was once present when a 300 baud modem was being used. The phone’s handset was placed in a cradle that listened and replied like a person would.

OpenComputeDesign

@sabi Ok so here's the thing

My parents had dialup up until about 2009 or so, when they got a cellular modem, which was their sole form of internet until about 2014. It was _worse_ than the dial up was, and more expensive, but we were moving a lot

However _I_ didn't get internet until 2014 when they got free ethernet, and didn't need the cell modem anymore. It would only work in one room of the house, before 8 AM, and would still only load text most of the time

I got LAN a year later, luckily

Erwan 🚄

@sabi it was indeed 1200/75 (French Minitel used as a modem + terminal to connect to a connection concentrator)

Bjørnar 🇧🇻

@sabi I don't remember and made a guess instead of looking up availability in the year I got it. I DO remember the absolutely massive phone bill I got the first month due to the bonkers per minute charge on my dorm room phone line. 😂 Had to institute a self-imposed monthly modem time cap!

J.P. Wing

@sabi 300 on a C64 accessing GEnie. I loved every screech, every long distance minute, and every time someone else in the house picked up the extension. Those were the wild west days of "online".

loganer

@sabi my memory is hazy on the subject.

idk, phone line frequency?

Justin M

@sabi 14.4 at first and later got a 56k when parents bought a new pc. At the time, it was as though God himself descended from the heavens and blessed my internet speeds.

Ted Lemon

@sabi @paul_ipv6 110. Acoustic coupler. It was awesome.

Harper

@sabi 14.4, which I used exclusively for checking my Juno e-mail.

Dan Shick

@sabi shout out to my old VICMODEM

nytpu

@sabi
Doing my part for the 4 young people on Fedi and voting “I've only ever known broadband” :P

Although I am in the impossibly small group of people that have only ever known broadband for “real internet” but have used modems for small private/point-to-point networks, so I guess I could've voted for my “first modem” still… (28.8 kbit/s for the record)

Nazo

@sabi First one I actually remember was definitely 56.6K, though of course it only ever connected at 48.8 (or 33.6 on a bad day) because phone lines are a thing. I think I may have used worse on my grandmother's or father's systems when very very young, but not sure.

I will never, so long as I shall live, ever forget what the dialing/connection tones sounded like, lol.

Fraser

@sabi @futzle not our first but definitely the favourite in terms of turning it on (really needs sound on!)

Max

@sabi my first ever modem was not connected to the so called internet, so I've choosen 1200 bd and it was for Packet radio as an amateur radio OP

Peter Sommerlad

@sabi
I have used all of those. the first i definitely remember owning myself was 14.4k.

Chris Taylor

@sabi first modem was a hybrid modem/soundcard. Depending on boot time config, you could have 14.4k internet and working sound, or 28.8k internet and no sound

Dave Ackley

@sabi
110 first to use
14.4 first to own

Tom

@sabi my first was a 14.4, which was wired in a way that my parents' phone would ring every time it dialed.

But the slowest was 9600 over citizen band (CB) radio. Transfering data over multiple hops effectively split that speed in half every hop. And the 9600 was a theoretical value anyways.

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