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Sabrina, canid forest spirit

How fast was your first modem? Boost if you feel the nostalgia?

Units omitted because nomenclature has shifted over time and IFKYK.

Anonymous poll

Poll

300
632
12.6%
1200
446
8.9%
2400
661
13.2%
9600
324
6.5%
14.4
866
17.3%
28.8
460
9.2%
33.6
275
5.5%
56k
1,040
20.7%
128 or 1.544 or something else fancy
71
1.4%
I have only ever known broadband!
242
4.8%
5,017 people voted.
Voting ended 4 July at 14:07.
317 comments
Michaela Molthagen 🏳️‍🌈

@sabi
My first modem had 1200/75 for German "Bildschirmtext" (BTX).

nSonic

@sabi I can’t really remember. 14.4 was the zyxel and it was really fast. The one before that … i don’t really remember. It was an import to be faster then what you could buy here 👀 so maybe it was 9600 or so … i voted for 9600 - but maybe it was just 2400 🤷‍♂️

Daniel Temme

@sabi I had a 2400 card as a hand-me-down from somewhere but I don't think I ever got that working. So I went with 9600

oskar

@sabi the first one I used away 110, the first one I owned was a 19.2 trailblazer…

Nerdmännchen

@sabi
14,4 with ISDN, and if we wanted to go faster, we used channel bundling, but then we couldn't make phone calls anymore.

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@sabi @Linkshaender Does an acoustic coupler count as a modem in this survey?

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@maennig @Linkshaender sure does! Lots of people have mentioned them in the comments too

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@sabi @Linkshaender So i’m with the 300 Bd gang (under best circumstances).

LisPi
@sabi @nytpu I have legitimately no idea.

It wasn't dialup because the internet still wasn't affordable here while that was the primary option, but with our ISPs even over cable it might well have been <=56k anyway.
Ian K Tindale

@sabi I had a 1200/75 modem for a while – that’s 75 upload

Alex Lohr (RIP Natenom)

@sabi Maybe ask first if it was an acoustic coupler, classic modem, ISDN modem, DSL/Cable modem or something exotic.

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@lexLohr lots of people have mentioned acoustic couplers in the comments!

tired blip

@sabi Technically my intro to the internet was in the transition period... my grandma had a 56k, which I voted for, but at home we had DSL by then. So kinda both.

Vilmoskörte

@sabi My first modem was a a used decommissioned military modem in a grey 19" enclosure about 15 cm high. Rock solid and quite heavy, with a large printed circuit board filled with discrete electronics and lots of coils. I bought it around 1976 for 200 Dutch guilders and used it with a (borrowed) ADM-3A terminal to dial from home into the university's PDP11/45 running Bell Labs UNIX 6th Edition.

Jyrgen N

@sabi @vilmoskoerte Makes me think — my current (VDSL) modem is rougly 100000 times as fast as my first one. That sounds like a lot, but given that it's been about 30 years, it is behind Moore's law.

Tobias

@sabi 2400 baud US Robotics. Costed a fortune. And the phone bills on top of that...

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@orangezingo I remember that feeling of counting the minutes tick by and the phone bill adding up

Tobias

@sabi Indeed! And people complaining that they couldn't reach you since the phone line was busy 😅

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@mykhaylo I ran out of poll options! 19.2 was a common speed to connect a faster modem at over bad lines but I feel like native 19.2 modems were rare too

Toni Aittoniemi

@sabi #fediverse is certainly older than I thought!! 😊

This one made me feel right at home 😁

burne

@sabi My first modem had several speeds. 300/300 full duplex, 1200/75 full duplex and 600/600 half duplex.. Based on a TCM3105 from TI. You couldn’t buy modems so a American friend bought me the chip and I built a modem myself. Taped out a circuit board and sold a few hundred modems over the next few years.

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@burne you’re the winner of this thread so far, no one else has mentioned building their own modem!

sep

@sabi i selected 300. But the first modem had you put the normal handset over a holder. It was not fast ;)

David Hembrow

@sabi 300 baud acoustic coupler for me. It was quite horrible really and it didn't get much use. I got a lot of use out of a 2400 bps modem a few years later. This offered a huge increase in speed, but more importantly it gave an even larger increase in the reliability of connection.

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@hembrow I don’t envy having to use an acoustic coupler, they sound like trouble

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@MMagdowski ISDN seems to have been way more common in Europe compared to elsewhere. I’m surprised because it was rare and expensive where I lived

Mathias Magdowski

@sabi Both my parents worked for Deutsche Telekom, so we were probably not the typical German household of that time.

Paul Turnbull :CApride:

@sabi Old I am: 300.

That was the first one I owned. I did use a teletype with a roll of paper and cups for the phone before that but I don’t know how fast it was.

Steve Bellovin

@sabi I checked 300, but the first dial-up data communications device I ever used, in 1967, was a Teletype ASR 33 with a built-in 110 modem… The first I ever had in my residence, though, was a 300 acoustic coupler.

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@SteveBellovin there have been a surprising number of ASR 33 users in the replies. I’m rather shocked!

Morten Grøftehauge

@sabi Last option, but I got cable in 96 when I was 15 or 16 years old 🤷

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@drgroftehauge that’s early for cable internet, you were lucky! I couldn’t get broadband until about 2003 and I tired everything in the years before to get it

Yer ol' Pal Gordo

@sabi I grew up just as normies were invading all the cool parts of the internet, so I vaguely remember a time "before" the internet, and then it was straight to 56k.

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@gordoooo_z I remember that time too. It felt a little weird having this special place online and then suddenly it wasn’t so special anymore

Yer ol' Pal Gordo

@sabi Being born in '91, I was probably part of the invasion, but that's kinda how the modern internet feels relative to the infinite library of personal basic HTML homepages I grew up on that affiliate blogs and Google Analytics burned down :/

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@andre_spruit I used it for a little while, until I discovered local BBSs!

blackcoat

@sabi However, my first internet was a dial in shell account on a unix box that had a dozen or so modems attached to it, once of which was 300. This is where I learned that I can read faster than 300.

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@blackcoat it’s true 300 was pretty slow, even when it was current technology!

Gregg Alley

@sabi This was on a 100Mbps connection. 😂

Alexander Trivia Dragonson

@sabi my parents had dialup when I was a kid, but I never knew any numbers about it, just the terrible noises

Baud were the exclusive province of my late grandfather, who was an electrical engineer

Evi SnowMew :verified_paw:

@sabi first modem was 14k4, but I left home probably a month after that and got a 100 mbit line at my new university. Four years later I bought an ISDN and was appalled the rest of the country was still there. Guess I was spoiled very early on.

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@evi I had a similar experience! Slow dialup, spoiled by Ethernet at college, and then couldn’t get broadband for several years

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@rightardia the difference in speed is so great it’s hard to conceptualize. Especially since I have 25 gigabit fiber in my home lab!

Kabi-nyan :verified_trans:

@sabi@infosec.space Technically we had 56k, but our phone lines were ancient relics from the party line days, so it would never negotiate anything higher than 14.4.

Didn't see anything faster than that until they started repairing the phone lines as part of an upgrade to DSL.

Doug Grinbergs

@sabi Old-timer here. IIRC, my TRS-80 Model I MicroDesigns MDX expansion circuit board ($300? kit ordered from 80 Micro ad?) had built-in 300 baud modem (with a funky wire I may have connected to the phone line by twisting conductors together - kludge city! 😉😆) #TRS80

anyGould

@sabi I remember a sysop of a local BBS breaking in to chat with me before I'd even logged in, because I was the only one still on 1200.

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@anyGould I ended up chatting with BBS sysops a number of times because they were bored

Joe

@sabi

I love how this is also an age distribution, by proxy, of folks who voted in this poll.

Nick Bathum

Now I need to hear the dial up noise

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@nbathum take a peak at some of the recent YouTube videos from Clabretro and you’ll get some ideas how to set up dialup at home so you can hear the noises whenever you like!

LovesTha :manaBG: :manaGU:

@sabi I was a little kid, I'm not sure the 200 was even the first, there may have been a 100 before it. Although my use of it was drawing ASCII art locally without using the modem.

Jeff ♨️ Darcy

@sabi My first was a *fraction* of a 1200, through a multiplexer used by at least a dozen people, so really less than 300.

jaucourt

@sabi I seem to remember as a pre-teen trying to put one phone handset to another having read it in a book or computing magazine

Hisham

@sabi 56k BUT it was a Winmodem so when I switched to Linux there were only unstable drivers that could do at most 33600! So I dual-booted for a while mostly because of large* downloads!

*multi-megabyte downloads like individual mp3s!

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@hisham_hm I know what you mean, I couldn’t stand those later winmodems / softmodems. You were lucky there were Linux drivers available at all!

Peter H. Fröhlich

@sabi Acoustic coupler. Also phone booth. Epson PX-8 hacking into JANET. Those were the days.

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@jeancf would you believe that USR still advertises business modems in that same form factor?

usr.com/products/usr5686g/

Vincent 🌻

@sabi I like the spike at 14k4 because to my best memory that was the speed-du-jour when the Web came up. Everything before that was BBS only

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@photovince agreed, I had a 14.4 modem when I became aware of the internet. I think that was a pivotal point in time

Vincent 🌻

@sabi Me too - in a sturdy external aluminium casing with blinkenlights! 🚥🚥🚥🚥

Never enjoyed the internal successors as much…

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@photovince it’s no fun without all the lights. At least Ethernet switches still have lots of LEDs to keep us entertained!

sofia ☮️🏴

@sabi ISDN card. it was free on sunday so my download manager was busy that day 😇. technically there were two channels, so i could have used 128k but my parents probably wouldn't have liked that. :P

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@sofia I wish I could have had ISDN but it wasn’t available where I lived and would have been too expensive if it had been

sofia ☮️🏴

@sabi in the plus side, your modems probably made funny sounds 😋.

also it was quote a while until i got landline broadband. until then we had a janky wifi bridge to a neighbor at some point, and i used my 3G surf stick a lot, and it slowed down as soon the meager data cup was used up, so then it was back to ISDNish speeds and squeezing the most data out of it.

i also used to hang out in restaurants with free wifi a lot 😇.

we got VDSL in, uh, 2014 maybe?

David JONES

@sabi not my first but for a while at one job we had a homebrew arrangement of twin bonded 38400 modems using PPP, so 76,800 total. Just as broadband was ramping up.

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@drj I knew someone who was able to do this with four 33.6 modems and I was so jealous at the time!

Sabrina, canid forest spirit

@drj I’m pretty sure the guy I knew was using FreeBSD as well

Bodhipaksa

@sabi I remember the first time I tried to download a 1 MB file, on 14.4k dialup in a remote glen in the Scottish Highlands. It took an hour to download 99% of it, and then the connection dropped!

Citizencat

@sabi
It was for a Commodore 64. It had no dialup capability. You dialed the number on your rotary phone and whe you heard the squeal quickly plug the phone line into the modem.
@catsalad

WWSchoof 📯

@sabi a network engineer only knows 9600 🙈

Inhabitant of Carcosa :emacs:

@sabi 1200 baud modern my dad brought home from work to do email. I used it for BBSes, but mainly for MUDs via a dial-up telnet gateway. When he brought home a Toshiba laptop with a 2400 baud modem, I strongly preferred that both for the higher speed, and the fact I could use it downstairs when my parents were sleep. My first computer of my own had an internal 2400 baud modem.

Peter Wood

@sabi

I don't remember, but most of those numbers look familiar.

Chris Deluca

@sabi @catsalad My first was a 110/300. Those were the days!!

Madame Aronow

@sabi @smurthys I remember when we upgraded to 56k - I thought we were FLYING :blobfoxcrylaugh:

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