Gregory's Serverback in my day we called this spyware
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 @molly0xfff I can also hear workers unions and GDPR lawyers *screeching* over this one. On the upside, it would be cool to get to do a full enterprisewide Windows-to-Linux migration for an org before I retire. @molly0xfff I humbly suggest you put up a chronometer on your blog to see how soon the first personal information security fuckup will happen due to this vendor endorsed mega-keylogger.  @JHB17 @molly0xfff that is the most obvious route but the first publicly known information leak will need some, presumably short, amount of time, right? Also besides passwords, everyone will know exactly what kind of porn you like.  @molly0xfff Somehow I feel this is pushed by the surveillance desires of governments. Can only hope I could be wrong here.  @alanb @helma @molly0xfff It could almost be viewed as Intentional sabotage of the "AI isn't a cartoon" myth that's zombified the Internet and half the planet 🤞  @helma @molly0xfff Not even joking, and watch who keeps trying to justify using spyware casually everyday.  @helma @molly0xfff What’s up with #KOSA these days? They want to make VPNs illegal but if they can’t but they can use this to see everything you do anyway. @maggiejk @molly0xfff In the EU same. Just another name. They push for full surveillance in the name of kids safety online. It is a distraction. It will not be effective. There are other ways. They know this. But it is cheap for all kinds of #FunctionCreep surveillance options, apart from the initial security problem (from which politicians of course want to exempt themselves, which will technically be impossible). @molly0xfff i guess thinking in a bad day many of us would have at lest once, the problem is when you pass to the act of betraying the trust of your loved one by doing it ….   @cferdinandi @molly0xfff but no one will stop using windows. Next time it will be enough maybe... @f4grx 3 years and 5 months since I stopped using #Windows @Chris @molly0xfff @libreoffice @cferdinandi i think I started using mint as a daily driver in 2013. Not it's just debian. @f4grx and many more could follow likewise routes  I did. Whatever they did in December was the last straw for me. I did leave dual boot on my desktop "just in case", but haven't actually booted windows since. I'm only using Windows at my day job. My party laptop runs another OS, and I know better than to party on my work laptop.  @molly0xfff @cferdinandi @f4grx The problem is that we live in a world where they make it easy for you to be spied upon, but hard to get privacy  @hugoestr @molly0xfff @cferdinandi @f4grx They tell you that being spied on is what information security looks like. Only Microsoft's paying customers can look at your data, that's how you know it's secure. 🙃 They want to confuse the ideas of privacy and security so people simply won't think about this  "Today, I want to talk about something critical to our company’s future: prioritizing security above all else." – Satya Nadella, May 3, 2024 🤡  @molly0xfff "That's how we are monitoring our employee PCs anyway, and now you can do it to yourself."  @molly0xfff the windows stalkerware industry is gonna take a hit over this free offering, boy howdy      @Victorsigmoid @molly0xfff but people are so lazy they wont move a finger. And they dont care, most have "nothing to hide" they just watch the web. @f4grx @molly0xfff agree, I find it challenging to describe to non-techies just how invasive and destructive to the right to privacy the current thrusts into the newly monitored and data-captured tech world looks.  @nosmaharba @lobingera @molly0xfff I call it, the Flanderizer 3000. You know the concept of Fladerization, in which a recurring character becomes a caricature of itself (like Ned Flanders in The Simpsons)? Well, this is pretty much what AI does to everything. It Flanderizes data.   @molly0xfff More than 10years the world industry, at any level, from embedded to hardware, to super computers uses linux... This should be enough to fix your computer :P @molly0xfff I left Windows 20 years ago because of a keylogger. Now they're telling us it's actually a feature.  @molly0xfff wouldn't that be horrible for memory usage and performance? Why are they doing that? They're destroying their OS!   @molly0xfff A very old version of office (97?) already did this in some way. It was quite a useful feature to have on your business PC to fill in your timesheets.  That headline is a near perfect summation of what M$ (and other big tech) has become... Customer data is everything and the sale of same is what sustains companies and the interwebs... 🤡🫏🤡🫏  Step 5: Throw your Windows computer in the sink, add salt and hot water, marinate for one week. Step 6: Go live in a faraday cage in the woods with no electricity - there is no hope for humanity any longer.  @Tanatoes @molly0xfff Obviously Windows recall is on by default, so it will have taken snapshots as you set up your new computer ... @molly0xfff No longer spyware but a “feature”. Whilst I am sure that some AI might be useful, it doesn’t have to be baked into every new thing… it reminds me of all the ‘coin hype @molly0xfff oh fuck. I guess I'm gonna have to consider migrating off of windows or otherwise preventing Microsoft from looking at my shit. This is insane @molly0xfff I don't really see how this new development makes anything worse compared to Telemetry and the built-in ads. We all knew Windows is recording stuff and sends it to someone else. At some point even Microsoft itself couldn't figure out what data is sent to what endpoint in what country. @molly0xfff@hachyderm.io god am i ever glad i switched over to #LinuxMint :neocat_evil_3c: @molly0xfff It still is spyware. Companies used to make a profit selling software to remove spyware, now they make twice as much profit by selling you spyware and software to remove other people's spyware. More profit, as we all know, is always a good thing. @janus @molly0xfff it is but people have no choice. They need teams and office 360. @molly0xfff I think the anthropomorphic pigeon character that handles queries really gives this new feature the juice it needs to be a hit.  @molly0xfff   @molly0xfff No question this could be a violation of privacy. But that violation occurs only if the data is removed from the device. There are amazing potential scenarios with this data, with the very important caveat that it doesn't escape the machine. However I completely understand that people won't trust that this caveat holds. It's just unfortunate that we can't have a discussion of how much potential is indeed possible. But knee jerk reactions will never allow this discussion to happen.  @scottjenson @molly0xfff A likely scenario would be that it happens both ways. Perhaps first someone "innovates" sucking up too much personal data, but certainly later there will be an effort to do it all in a contained way. Both may be "successful." The caution of the IoT age might be that most people will give up that privacy readily. @scottjenson @molly0xfff Thank god there's no way for data on my machine to leave my machine without me knowing about it. There are no means people can access my machine without my consent. This service is completely safe and absolutely nothing can go wrong with an unfiltered log of my passwords and financial data being stored on my machine. Think of the potential. Name a product where people had to be forced to use it to realize how amazing it was. The built in assumption is that product designers are these amazing geniuses and the end users are dummies. In fact AI products are terrible and people don't want to use them because they don't work as advertised.  'Remove'? Reading is sufficient to copy. How it's exfiltrated is left as an exercise for the reader. Rsync would be my favourite, but hiding it in noise is fine. @molly0xfff I literally protested against that shit on the street a decade ago and now it's a feature... 😒    @molly0xfff  @ColesStreetPothole @molly0xfff or prosecutors find thought crimes if you protest the next genocide @Kierkegaanks @molly0xfff Why were you looking at a terrorism, were you thinking of doing a terrorism because you [insert a belief that threatens the status quo power structure]  @molly0xfff they've been turning the spyware dial for years and each time 90% of users don't care and most of the rest still end up not switching anyway.  @molly0xfff good luck all the companies in the EU who need to make use of teamviewer and such, essentially collecting personal data nonstop with this. :ai_dance: @molly0xfff What about medical offices that use Windows? Doesn’t this raise privacy concerns? @molly0xfff At the moment it's only on machines with CoPilot plus (or some such similar name) so not everyone will to be affected. It'll be years before all Windows machines are called of running it. And some never will as they'll have an option. @molly0xfff Apparently Musk doesn't like it too, but unfortunately this means he's now interested in desktop Linux:  @molly0xfff @Nazani@universeodon.com @molly0xfff@hachyderm.io This particular technology is local-only on "copilot plus" it seems, so it doesn't have that particular issue.   @molly0xfff Safety their autocorrect is making fun with words like "spy" it seems @molly0xfff With the AI of google that will listen your call ... i guess big tech who do not sell privacy will become even more invasive now. @molly0xfff Electronic Gestapo. This is evil. Thank goodness I'm on Linux. People need to leave that operating system as soon as reasonably possible (unless your work requires you to use it). @molly0xfff I bet the FBI and NSA are already trying to buy this data from MS, too. Not to mention GCHQ in the UK and a bunch of similar agencies elsewhere in the world.   @molly0xfff @maxeddy nobody wants this. I don’t even want it as a forensic analyst. @molly0xfff In a previous life I did forensic data recovery, this would have had the potential of making my life much easier. Not sure that's a good thing, since it means deletion is no longer a thing and you know that it will be used to smear people.  @molly0xfff every time MS does something like this I just think of @aeva's Chrome post https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@aeva/111027233991200762 @molly0xfff WHAT THE MOTHERFUCC AHHHHHHHHHH Saw this after reading this Why Your Wi-Fi Router Doubles as an Apple AirTag  @molly0xfff this is windows normal mode if you don't turn off data collection, I don't know what the AI is for...? @molly0xfff Are corporate accounts not pushing back on this? All insider corporate info, trade secret, etc become (more) vulnerable to leaks and exploits. Corporate IT Security people are probably losing their minds right now.  @molly0xfff They've been doing it for years just not with AI. They do it on TVs, phones, everything. You're always being monitored; it doesn't matter what you do online or what precautions you take; when the government wants evidence on you in case they ever need it to incriminate you by putting spyware on your device, that's exactly what Thel'll do. You can torrent till you're blue in the face but it doesn't matter when your devices are already rigged to send screenshots to the goverment.  Back in my day this was the plot of about 100 movies with Sandra Bullock or Robert Redford or half of Hollywood, and 10,000 books by anyone who rightfully respects privacy. Burn in a tire fire, Fuckrosoft, I’m not upgrading to “designated corporate prisoner” in my own fucking home.  @molly0xfff what exec said “this will win us users and everybody wants it” because we need to discuss their poor life choices    @Ericlaw @molly0xfff Keyloggers on shared computers only needed to write a text file for example (a friend told me...).
 @molly0xfff yeah that shit used to come bundled with KaZaA and now it comes bundled with your OS instead. @molly0xfff in hey, if you don't got anything to hide, you don't got any reason for microsoft to not sift through your every action and thought @molly0xfff welp i guess i need to fast track the project of moving my last windows PC to linux Glad i never upgraded to 11, microshit affirms that decision every day @molly0xfff I may have had a little bit of a rant about this this morning … https://infosec.exchange/@fooflington/112478023752158069  @molly0xfff On the plus side, there will be so many false positives that the courts and jails will be full of innocent people. You will be able to do any crime you want online and they will not have time to go after you! @molly0xfff and why in the world does it need AI to take a screen shot every few seconds?  @molly0xfff Great, just in time for Microsoft to discontinue support for Windows 10! If they just took screenshots that would be invasive, but they feed them to an AI, and we know AI cannot be trusted to make truthful statements or hold data securely. I think this is an attack on user privacy trying to bring validity to an industry that should mostly die "I see you are watching a ripped copy of 'Into the Spiderverse' from your media server. Would you like to make a payment to the Sony corporation now or should this PC contact the Copyright authorities?" Actually wonder what the DRM applications of an always on, locally embedded AI, owned by one of the current tech giants, on your personal computer might be.  @molly0xfff A screenshot every few seconds eh? Where is it going to store the 36GB+ per 8 hour day of JPG screenshots (or 158GB of PNG) that stupidity would generate? That would equate to roughly 4 Petabytes per 8 hour day for the 1B+ Windows users. 15.7 million Petabytes per year. Someone really needs to pack all these clowns back in their funny little car, and send them back to their circus. @molly0xfff Going full stupid on this, because I'm bored. If each of those screenshots were PNG's (mine seem to average 11MB) that would equal roughly one tenth of the data storage capacity of the entire planet as of 2021. For one idiotic, useless AI feature.  @molly0xfff If they are going use all of our content to train their AI, they could at least let us use all of their applications for free. Charging us for what goes in and not paying us for what comes out is nth level capitalism.  @molly0xfff   @molly0xfff Can't be the same Microsoft who blasted Google for scanning Gmail mails for targeting ads, right? @molly0xfff built-in keyloggers and spyware for windows...i prefer the times when you had space cadet pinball as a built-in component @molly0xfff It is spyware for sure.  @molly0xfff Pretty sure many people will turn off this feature. You and I both know we don’t need so much of our own data shoved into our faces. Too much data. They have AI and they don’t know what to use it for. @molly0xfff @prealpinux Interessante, servirebbe approfondire. Purtroppo non uso SO di Microsoft quindi mi fiderò del vostro giudizio @molly0xfff@hachyderm.io How is it spyware when one can simply disable it? It runs strictly on the local device itself.  @molly0xfff At least it can be disabled, for now. But enabled by default is crap... "Saving snapshots is turned on when you first start using Windows. You can always turn off saving snapshots at any time by going to Settings> Privacy & security > Recall & snapshots on your PC."  @molly0xfff  Microsoft 1999: We’re not a monopoly just because we include IE on every computer! Microsoft 2024: We’re going to spy on everything you do because where else are you going to go? |
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