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Molly White

"have you ever wanted to install a keylogger to spy on your spouse or kid? well have we got news for you"

#AI #privacy #Microsoft

53 comments
zephi

@kubikpixel ngl that's the most rad thing i've seen all day

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@molly0xfff I can also hear workers unions and GDPR lawyers *screeching* over this one.

On the upside, it would be cool to get to do a full enterprisewide Windows-to-Linux migration for an org before I retire.

marco_m_aus_f

@subm3rge @molly0xfff Chances for a full Windows-to-Linux migration are good, at least in Germany.
The Federal Ministry of the Interior and Community has been working on openDesk for quite a while. Federal offices run Windows in a VM on secured Linux hosts and mostly anything important is a webapp running on Linux anyway. LibreOffice is the default in Schleswig-Holstein now(~30k desktops).
See a lengthy list of Linuxy things at de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-Sou

This will not end well for M$

@subm3rge @molly0xfff Chances for a full Windows-to-Linux migration are good, at least in Germany.
The Federal Ministry of the Interior and Community has been working on openDesk for quite a while. Federal offices run Windows in a VM on secured Linux hosts and mostly anything important is a webapp running on Linux anyway. LibreOffice is the default in Schleswig-Holstein now(~30k desktops).
See a lengthy list of Linuxy things at de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-Sou

Luna chan

@subm3rge @molly0xfff Linux as desktop has gotten good enough and Wine runs a lot of Windows programs now

Kiudecan

@subm3rge
The entity I work in makes such a transition, on a voluntary basis from the users. Ho boy, M$ is making recruiting volunteers for migration easy !
@molly0xfff

Patrick Zauner :verified:

@subm3rge @molly0xfff No. The data remains on device, so why should this be an issue regarding the GDPR?

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@conamara @molly0xfff If your question is serious: The data will not stay on the device. The second law of therminfodynamics makes it so.

CynAq 🤘

@molly0xfff I humbly suggest you put up a chronometer on your blog to see how soon the first personal information security fuckup will happen due to this vendor endorsed mega-keylogger.

James

@CynAq @molly0xfff

Your password vault open, for editing, in the middle of a capture?

CynAq 🤘

@JHB17 @molly0xfff that is the most obvious route but the first publicly known information leak will need some, presumably short, amount of time, right? Also besides passwords, everyone will know exactly what kind of porn you like.

Helma 🤗

@molly0xfff Somehow I feel this is pushed by the surveillance desires of governments. Can only hope I could be wrong here.

Alan B

@helma @molly0xfff corporate greed is a powerful motivator too

abracadabra holmes

@alanb @helma @molly0xfff
This might be the straw that breaks the camel's public apathy.

It could almost be viewed as Intentional sabotage of the "AI isn't a cartoon" myth that's zombified the Internet and half the planet

🤞

abracadabra holmes

@alanb @helma @molly0xfff
TBC tho...nobility doesn't factor. If this is the case it's because they're behind in the competition and need to flip the board.

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@helma @molly0xfff
The real pushers are the gameygater tech bros who developed this and whose motive is to coverup • their own use of spyware • by spreading it around (for others to monetize) as if endangering vulnerable ppl was just a regular thing that regular ppl do.

Not even joking, and watch who keeps trying to justify using spyware casually everyday.

Maggie Maybe

@helma @molly0xfff What’s up with #KOSA these days? They want to make VPNs illegal but if they can’t but they can use this to see everything you do anyway.

Helma 🤗

@maggiejk @molly0xfff In the EU same. Just another name. They push for full surveillance in the name of kids safety online. It is a distraction. It will not be effective. There are other ways. They know this. But it is cheap for all kinds of #FunctionCreep surveillance options, apart from the initial security problem (from which politicians of course want to exempt themselves, which will technically be impossible).

Tom Stoneham

@helma @molly0xfff Or the surveillance desires of companies bigger and more powerful than most states?

DELETED

@molly0xfff i guess thinking in a bad day many of us would have at lest once, the problem is when you pass to the act of betraying the trust of your loved one by doing it ….

F4GRX Sébastien

@cferdinandi @molly0xfff but no one will stop using windows. Next time it will be enough maybe...

F4GRX Sébastien

@Chris @molly0xfff @libreoffice @cferdinandi i think I started using mint as a daily driver in 2013. Not it's just debian.

Eric Lawton

@f4grx

I did. Whatever they did in December was the last straw for me.

I did leave dual boot on my desktop "just in case", but haven't actually booted windows since.

@cferdinandi @molly0xfff

Kent Pitman

@EricLawton

I went to the trouble to set up dual boot on my linux/windows box as i was trying to phase out windows, but windows hates grub and every time i restart windows, it suspects it's newly installed and makes me enter install codes, which is a pain because you can't go get them and cut & paste them when the OS isn't booted. you really have to type them in. it's so tedious and unusable that I finally had to install virtualbox and build windows inside that instead just so i could occasionally use the one or two apps that i have no equivalent of under linux.

@EricLawton

I went to the trouble to set up dual boot on my linux/windows box as i was trying to phase out windows, but windows hates grub and every time i restart windows, it suspects it's newly installed and makes me enter install codes, which is a pain because you can't go get them and cut & paste them when the OS isn't booted. you really have to type them in. it's so tedious and unusable that I finally had to install virtualbox and build windows inside that instead just so i could occasionally...

CohenTheBlue

@EricLawton @f4grx @cferdinandi @molly0xfff I have not needed to boot my windows virtual and just removed my second graphics card I used for a gaming Windows 10 virtual with pass through. The AMD RX6800 is great on Debian. I can play all the games I want now without Windows, hopefully Microsoft doesn't have enough incentive to make breaking changes in Windows 11 and Wine / Proton keeps working as great as it is. It'll work at least for a decade from now with the compatibility cycle in mind.

Matthew G. 🏳️‍🌈🏴‍☠️⛦🤘🔞

@f4grx

I'm only using Windows at my day job. My party laptop runs another OS, and I know better than to party on my work laptop.

@cferdinandi @molly0xfff

Duchamp Pérez

@molly0xfff @cferdinandi @f4grx The problem is that we live in a world where they make it easy for you to be spied upon, but hard to get privacy

2xfo

@hugoestr @molly0xfff @cferdinandi @f4grx

They tell you that being spied on is what information security looks like. Only Microsoft's paying customers can look at your data, that's how you know it's secure. 🙃

They want to confuse the ideas of privacy and security so people simply won't think about this

Daniel

@molly0xfff

"Today, I want to talk about something critical to our company’s future: prioritizing security above all else." – Satya Nadella, May 3, 2024

🤡

Alexander Bochmann

@molly0xfff "That's how we are monitoring our employee PCs anyway, and now you can do it to yourself."

Kris Sargent, MD

@molly0xfff "Finally got root access to your target, but don't want to bother doing your own logging or checking multiple applications for valuable data? How about one easy database that has everything available in plain text?"

Tom

@molly0xfff

Genuine question: who is *asking* for these features? Is there any consumer/user of windows who's been requesting this?

Tom

@Ooze @molly0xfff

I'd really love to see that demand though. Because if it's just about "spying" you actually WOULDN'T ever want to feed it to a learning model, you'd just want to keep the recordings.

Ooze 𓁟

@tveastman @molly0xfff unless you want to use this data to train it to do the jobs the humans are currently doing.

Molly White

@tveastman i'm going to go with "microsoft execs desperately trying to justify all the money they're shoveling into the AI fire"

Tom

@molly0xfff

That's truly all I've got too... I'm looking for some kind of counterfactual but it really seems that cynical so far.

LyallMorrison

@tveastman @molly0xfff As I understand it, there is a belief at the business strategy level (VC/shareholders/Cxx) that authentic user activity is the new commons which needs to be enclosed.

The old Internet, pre-generative AI, is gone and when a meaningful use for LLMs coalesces whoever controls the source of new training data will win at capitalism.

Claiming that data scraping is a feature which serves users is just a way to manufacture consent.

Glad to hear any less cynical explanations.

Cat-a-clysm :neocat_laptop:

@molly0xfff Smh old boomer who can’t get on with modern tech

(for obvious reasons this is a joke)

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