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David Revoy

Kicking Erwin Schrödinger out of my idols. Not because he chose a cat for his thought experiment, but because of one thing I learnt: he sexually abused children and kept a diary about it. 🤮 Src: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Sc

#schrodinger #quantum #physics

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Jeon Yoo-Sook :adm1::adm2:
@davidrevoy
Wait until you hear about John Money. At least Erwin hadn't driven two kids to minecraft themselves in adulthood.
Not David Beckham

@davidrevoy
I wish I could read the Irish Times article referenced in this Wikipedia page

David Revoy

@jrod3737 Same, I was sad reference [43] was behind this very strong paywall. I couldn't also digg into this part because of that.

národní prase
@davidrevoy @jrod3737 Put it into 12ft.io, I just tried it and it works to get around the paywall
groxx

@xpac @davidrevoy @jrod3737 since I've been seeing archive.is/ph a lot lately: would you happen to know why it's booming so much? All I have are bad experiences, if you've set up an even slightly private browser config you get stuck in an endless cloudflare loop almost every time.

xpac

@groxx @davidrevoy @jrod3737 well, because it works? (for me). archive.org only had the paywalled version, archive.is had the readable one, and that's pretty much all I looked for :)

groxx

@xpac @davidrevoy @jrod3737 aaah, saving through paywalls would explain a lot of it, yeah. Thanks! Hard to notice stuff like that when it won't even load.

Thanasis Kinias

@xpac @davidrevoy @jrod3737
that site’s totally broken for me—it just endlessly redirects to captcha

Nicole Parsons

@davidrevoy @jrod3737

You can access most paywalled material if you have a library card.

Mine uses PressReader.

David Revoy

@globcoco I learnt it thanks to a post (in French) by @etcetera
framapiaf.org/deck/@etcetera@c , I then told them in PM about my intention to relay the info not as a boost, but with a cartoon. The reason: I had a scenario for a future episode in draft with a big reference to Schrödinger's cat experiment. I immediately put it to trash without regret.

Coralie Renée

@davidrevoy @etcetera

I really love your ethic David.

(J'irais le lire).

Coralie Renée

@davidrevoy @etcetera

C'est effectivement à vomir !

On l'a jamais inculpé ?

Laurenç Trobat

@globcoco @davidrevoy @etcetera
En même temps, Matzneff s'est, pendant des années, fait publiquement une gloire de coucher avec des très très jeunes filles et ça passait comme une lettre à la poste dans l'indifférence générale.

TomTooM

@davidrevoy l'article en français, ne semble pas y faire référence.

David Revoy

@tomtoom Oui, mais je vois quelqu'un⋅e sur la tâche depuis 18h57 fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?t , et un gros merci pour ça si iel nous lit 💜.

Les capsules du prof Lutz

@davidrevoy eh, thanks for ruining my otherwise perfect Sunday 😕

Geez, this passage from Wikipedia is disgusting:

he stated a "predilection for teenage girls on the grounds that their innocence was the ideal match for his natural genius"

psicking

@lutzray @davidrevoy the citation in the German Wikipedia article is longer and even more disgusting...

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@psicking @lutzray @davidrevoy There is so much wrong with it, I don’t even know where to begin. The whole quote in the taz article goes even further.

taz.de/Missbrauch-und-Missacht

David Revoy

@lutzray Yes, disguting. I learnt it yesterday and then I couldn't believe most of the biography I read or portrait on video put that big part of his life to silence. Even the French Wikipedia page doesn't mention it ...

Btw, sorry for the bad 'sunday timing'. I couldn't hold this info I learnt yesterday evening, I had to make a a drawing about it to reflect about it. Schrödinger cat box is so pop culture. I saw it on so many meme...

Les capsules du prof Lutz

@davidrevoy it's just one more name on the list of famous physicists who didn't know what to do with their dick...

natgeotv.com/za/special/genius

thebaffler.com/outbursts/surel

Does celebrity induce sexual predatory behaviours? And is it specifically 'male'? (I doubt it).

Sadly, I won't ever know the answer 😏 I'm too old to become famous.

Ricardo

@davidrevoy Celebrate ideas, never people: people tend to have many bad ideas beyond the few good ones for which they have become famous. Schrödinger is a good example of that: he was a horrible person.

Erwin Ernst eest9 Steinhammer

@davidrevoy Oof, this makes being named after him a rather grim topic from now on :c

David Revoy

@eest9 Oh no, I'm sorry for you. 😔

I don't think that information was publicly available until quite recently. I watch a lot of science videos and I've never heard of this.

A friend recently told me something about this kind of thing: when a band, a personality, a character has this thing, it's a new death for them. You were named when the clean and brilliant reputation was still alive and only info available. I hope you'll be able to keep the positive aspect of this name.

Erwin Ernst eest9 Steinhammer

@davidrevoy I hope so. I'll probably tell the origin story of my name far less in the future and exclusively with a note in regard to this.

Yes, it looks like the oldest mention is a biography from 1990, and it wasn't widely recognized until 2021, when more information about it came public?

David Revoy

@eest9 I don't know. Pages like the French one on Wikipedia doesn't even mention it...

[edit: Someone added the info to the FR wikipedia page 10min ago, thanks! fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?t 👍 ]

Erwin Ernst eest9 Steinhammer

@pablor I indeed share the same first name with him, but fortunately I wasn't named after him. @davidrevoy

Pablo Rrrrrrr

@eest9 @davidrevoy Just kidding, of course. You can always do like American Southern lawyers and call yourself E. Ernst.

Alex L 🕊 🇵🇸

@eest9 @davidrevoy

If it can help:

*Erwin* Chargaff was the one who made the most important contributions to the discovery of DNA (coincidentally, confirming Schrödinger's hypotesis that the genetic information must be stored as an aperiodic crystal). Chargaff was overshadowed by Watson, Crick and others because he was very cautious about genetics, he compared genetic engineering to nuclear physics and the atomic bomb: we shouldn't mess with Nature at its very hearth.

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Alex L 🕊 🇵🇸

@eest9 @davidrevoy

A great scientist with strong ethics. Still today, most of his books are only available in German, just to stress how much he was boycotted, compared to the glorified Watson and Crick.

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Erwin Ernst eest9 Steinhammer

@alxlg Doesn't really help since I'm not named after Erwin Chargaff 😅 But it's good to know, that there are still probably good Erwins out there 😂 @davidrevoy

kristen rapp

@eest9 @alxlg @davidrevoy why not tell people you were named for Steve Irwin? if anyone points out it's a different spelling, just look horrified and tell them you need to leave to call your parents immediately

Pepper1700 :veritrek_gold:

@davidrevoy C'est répugnant. Et le pire c'est que je suis certain qu'une vaste partie de l'humanité n'en a rien a foutre. :blobfoxdeadinside:

David Revoy

@pepper1700 Oh oui. Le gars est décédé en 1961, et ça refait surface dans sa bio Wikipedia (en Anglais, toujours pas en Français d'ailleurs) seulement récemment. Comme si les infos était sortie du néant après 2021. Il y a du avoir de longs silences pour protéger un héritage de réputation et de grand homme de science... Dégoutant.

Elzen
@davidrevoy Bon, je note d'ajouter une remarque ou une note de bas de page là-dessus quand je m'occuperai de retravailler le chapitre de mon 2e bouquin de vulga où j'explique ce que c'est que cette histoire de chat ><

Merci de l'info !
David Revoy

@carlschwan Thanks for maintaining this Wiki page, difficult topic. 👍

Carl Schwan :kde:

@davidrevoy I'm not maintaining it, it's just a list of famous french intellectuals who signed a petition against the age of consent and many of them were involved in child grooming :(

hinindil

@carlschwan @davidrevoy Actually, the man was dead (died 4 January 1961) back then when this pamphlet was written (1977). So, putting him on this list would not be correct.

David Revoy

@Christo I know... But I always had this bias to old scientifics, you know: Isaac Newton, Paul Dirac, Edwin Hubble, Albert Einstein, etc... For me this one was a solid 'part of the band' of my group of persons I liked to read biography, see video about their accomplishement and all. His 'Schrödinger's cat' is so pop-culture now. I laughted at so many meme.
I grief I'll not enjoy all of this in the same way now.

Schroedinger

@davidrevoy I should point out that my username is mainly a reference to the famous thought experiment.

I am not ignoring or condoning his abuse.

Mathieu Lam Son Leocmach

@davidrevoy FYI, there is also a lecture room named after him in ENS Lyon. I've heard rumours that renaming was underway. At least people are advised to call it "the main physics lecture hall" in order to avoid the now infamous name.

Julien Salort

@LamSon @davidrevoy it is now named “Amphi Physique-Chimie”. It’s been renamed some time ago now. There was a discussion whether we should find another physicist name, but the consensus was against it and favored just “Physique-Chimie”.

Codrus :archlinux: 🇺🇲

@davidrevoy A much better quantum physicist is Werner Heisenberg, who, unlike Schrödinger, was a devout Evangelical Lutheran. Maybe put Heisenberg in his place?

John Carlos Baez

@codrusofathens -

Heisenberg led the Nazi effort to develop a nuclear weapon... but on the bright side, he didn't succeed:

physicsworld.com/a/werner-heis

@davidrevoy

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@davidrevoy The Wikipedia page refers to derstandard.at/story/200013265, which claims that the targets of his (let's call it) affection were of age (except for one, when he was 11-13 years old himself), with the accusations "rounding down" their ages quite liberally.

Maybe it's that uncertainty why that aspect of his life isn't well discussed...

Stemy

@davidrevoy La liste des personnalités adulées qui s'étaient comportés comme des crevards est affreusement longue. Je crois qu'on devrait séparer l'artiste de son oeuvre, parce que si on se met à jeter les réalisations de toutes personnes qui ont été unsafe, ça risque d'être une hécatombe.

David Revoy

@stemy Tu as raison. Reste cependant le dégout qui donne moins envie de citer sous forme de pop-culture humoristique l'expérience du chat Schrödinger; un projet que j'avais pour les prochains épisode de Pepper&Carrot mais qui va être réecrit pour le coup car j'ai plus la motiv de faire des éloges indirectement au bonhomme après ça.

Weyoun 6

@davidrevoy I'm pleased to see more people learning this. People who have been spreading this information are a small but growing group.

Gen X-Wing

@davidrevoy If you go dig just a tiny bit there’s an awful lot of terrible things to find about a lot now dead famous people.

Several famous authors had terrible sides, as well as scientists. The movie industry is completely filled with horrors.

Not saying your reaction is wrong, quite the opposite. Just saying it’s sadly pretty easy. :(

(I think you would make a pretty good political cartoonist. But I quite enjoy your work in general.)

Stemy

@davidrevoy À la lumière de ces révélation, peut-on dire qu'on l'apprécie et ne l'apprécie pas en même temps ?

Lamecarlate

@davidrevoy Oumf. I knew about it (I learnt it recently), and it's so, so painful. « Jamais de héros » is my motto, but it's difficult to maintain.

David Revoy

@lamecarlate Oh yes, difficult to follow this motto that I understand perfectly!

(But then my brain starts exception for Pratchett, Bowie, Toriyama, Loomis, Tsukasa Hojo, etc... etc... 😆)

Filip 🌱 ❄️ 🦀

@davidrevoy holy fuck, had no idea, that's absolutely disgusting

Scott Carlson

@davidrevoy Thanks for this info. I will try to never refer to him again. Maybe I'll only ever call it the "Quantum Cat" experiment?

David Revoy

@scottcarlson I think if I need to refer to it, I'll use "Einstein unstable keg of gunpowder" that came a bit before with the same metaphor, but the story with the cat of Schrödinger did stick better in history : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%

thepoliticalcat

@davidrevoy Evil piece of shit. How many Black men and women were murdered in enslavement, who could have carried far greater gifts than the pedophile Schrodinger, we will never know. Disgusting. His OWN COUSIN.

eribosot

@davidrevoy Minutes after reading this, I learned that the creator of the famous Gill Sans font, also called the "British Helvetica," Eric Gill, had sex with his daughters, his sisters and his dog. Is today National Disillusionment Day?

eribosot

@davidrevoy I'll never look at the logos of the BBC, Tommy Hilfiger, Wikimedia or Philips the same way again.

Match

@davidrevoy I'm pretty sure Hatsune Miku is the progenitor of the progenitor of quantum mechanics and the inventor of the cat-box thought experiment

maxmoon 🌱

@davidrevoy "predilection for teenage girls on the grounds that their innocence was the ideal match for his natural genius"

This is the most disgusting diary entry I've ever read *puke*

AnotherNewbie

@davidrevoy WHAT?!?!!? I am saddened to hear that. Too much suffering sometimes.

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@davidrevoy "on the grounds that their innocence was the ideal match for his natural genius" Sounds like Tate bullshit before his time.

Nicole Parsons

@davidrevoy

One of the relatively unacknowledged risks to public health is the sexual abuse of children.

So much evidence of societal trauma exists, yet it is ignored as a public health issue.

South Korean & Japanese women so traumatized by the rampant misogyny of their cultures, that the birth rate had plummeted.

Male supremacy has economic consequences
theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/

New Zealand evidence that child victims of sexual abuse have reduced life expectancy of 10 to 20 years less
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@davidrevoy

One of the relatively unacknowledged risks to public health is the sexual abuse of children.

So much evidence of societal trauma exists, yet it is ignored as a public health issue.

South Korean & Japanese women so traumatized by the rampant misogyny of their cultures, that the birth rate had plummeted.

Nicole Parsons

Residential schools & child sexual abuse in New Zealand, Australia, UK, & Canada
news.library.auckland.ac.nz/20
interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/

Irish & Italian Catholic abuse that triggered a diaspora of immigrants & rates of alcoholism
ps.psychiatryonline.org/doi/fu

David Revoy

@Npars01 Thank you for all this links to continue on the topic. I'll probably read them another evening. It's a bit too heavy and I need to dip only a small toes into these waters for a limited time per day. But I'll do as I think information about it must be spread and understood by the largest part possible of the population.

Valentin Petzel

@davidrevoy Good thing to learn. Again a case of "great people are not necessarily good people".

Alien

@davidrevoy wtf that's awful I had no idea either

Orca🌻 | 🏴🏳️‍⚧️

@davidrevoy@framapiaf.org Holy cow I never heard of that. Thanks for letting me know.

astralaegis

@davidrevoy didn't see Schrodinger being milkshake ducked for me in 2023, but here we are

David Revoy

@astralaegis Same.

(And TIL for "en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milkshak" expression. Thank you, very interesting to know it.)

la gleki mlatu

@davidrevoy
Couldn't agree more. Now we just need to rebaptise the Schrodinger equation. "Non-relativistic Klein-Gordon equation" is a bit clunky though :(

Nick Fox-Gieg

@davidrevoy "Is Schrödinger uncancelled, or is he cancelled?" I wonder, as I click the Wikipedia link and begin to read

Kote Isaev

@davidrevoy I was unaware of this. Never idolized him, though, but now word "technofascism" got one more example of how it happens when someone who buried into STEM too much, believe they are genius and use it as excuse to be jerks of all possible kinds - from pedophiles to fascists....

www-gem

@davidrevoy Unfortunately quite a number of smart guys had very reprehensible behaviors/ideas/talks... I may be pessimistic but I think the contrast between their public and private faces makes that shocking but more anonymous people than we dare to imagine have the same problems.

Alistair K

@davidrevoy I find it weird that type designer, child abuser, bestialist, adulterer – documented in his diary – Eric Gill has been carefully exempted from such critique.

There have been some moves to remove his sculptures, but I've never seen anything big – such as universities, companies and in particular the major publishing, type and graphics software companies, distance themselves from Gill Sans and Perpetua, for instance.

🫧🌸🫧

@davidrevoy no wonder he wasn't able to appreciate that the cat's subjective experience was also a part of the equation.

gmoke

@davidrevoy When We Cease to Understand the World by Benjamín Labatut is a great book of new fiction which includes Schrödinger and other physicists with all their foibles. Very good reading, despite Erwin's crimes.

SteveBologna

@davidrevoy Oh, this is something I wished I didn’t know and read

Greengordon

@davidrevoy

Sounds like narcissism. It's pathological, incurable, and should be tested for.

"Schrödinger kept a record of his sexual liaisons including children he sexually abused in a diary he called Ephemeridae, in which he stated a "predilection for teenage girls on the grounds that their innocence was the ideal match for his natural genius".

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@davidrevoy

The cat was right he isn't worth a damn.

Burrowing Skylar 🦉🏳️‍⚧️ :lisp:

@davidrevoy however bad you think this is gonna be nothing prepares you for the diary quote in that first paragraph good lord

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Followers, see original post for context.

OP, ignore this, just adding CWs for followers.

XenoLurch🏴

@davidrevoy I wish I could say I'm surprised, but at this point I kinda expect all physicists to be sex pests tbh.

vis4valentine

@davidrevoy he stated a "predilection for teenage girls on the grounds that their innocence was the ideal match for his natural genius"

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fluffy 💜

@davidrevoy @photex insert glib comment about the superpositional nature of people who you haven’t looked into yet

Lars Wirzenius

@davidrevoy I am, again, reassured that my conviction to not have heroes, is justified.

I can respect specific things people do, but I don't assume that means they're good people. More weakly, I don't even assume they've not done bad things.

Echedelle 🏳️‍⚧️

@davidrevoy
I would kindly suggest to put this under CW as some people could be triggered with the sexual abuse of minors.

There could be people here who experienced it and may feel very bad as well as some having to relive things.

andrei!

@davidrevoy WTF

Schrödinger kept a record of his sexual liaisons including children he sexually abused in a diary he called Ephemeridae, in which he stated a "predilection for teenage girls on the grounds that their innocence was the ideal match for his natural genius".

Felipe L. Sologuren G.

@davidrevoy thanks for sharing.
I imagined a cat coming out of the box with one certainty: pedophile.

Aleksei � Matiushkin

@davidrevoy oh, that famous never-failing wiki-proof, which references the not publicly available dairy and some biography written by a no-name in 2012. It’s pathetic.

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