@Gargron I missed QTs when I first moved from the fowl site, but have since come to think of them as net negative.

I wonder if an all-in-one option to reply and then boost the reply would cover the need? (IOW, on reply, offer toot/toot-then-boost)

@Gargron I like the way it is now….👍

@Gargron please don't.

I think that most people who ask for it don't understand what #mastodon is about, that quote toots would change one of the most important aspects here: we talk with/to each other, not over/about others.

@Gargron There's not really that much demand. Just a loud minority and unfortunately those who cannot think for themselves.

@Gargron I’m not a fan either as it can feel a bit passive aggressive, and I like the fact that mastodon is not trying to be a twitter clone.

@Gargron I hope you don't. Too many people chase clicks instead of actually engaging with people. I like it here as is.
People need to stop being lazy about how they interact with people.
Social media needs to be more social, less antisocial narcissist. 👍

@Gargron I have to say it is the only thing I miss about the bird site. I used to use it as a way of positively endorsing something someone was saying and possibly reaching a different audience

@Gargron every single time I want to quote a post, it’s better and kinder if I don’t. I feel less bad about myself as a person when I’m not ripping someone apart on the Internet.

@Gargron That's excellent news. With proper implimentation, it will be a great benefit for many discussions.

@Gargron If it must happen, I hope "Turn off boosts" won't make an exception for quote boosts, the way it does on Twitter.

@Gargron It's a storytelling device. In journalism, it serves a function similar to being able to quote others in the middle of a narrative which the journalist themselves crafts. The journalist being able to contextualize the quote and author the narrative around it, is important.

@Gargron is there some way to do a/b testing on it to see the effect on the quality of conversations?

@Gargron I'm watching lack of QTs make an AMA substantially more difficult to host and read. To me, opt out seems to be the best overall option.

@Gargron

I personally don't see any problem in just replying/commenting on a post to make it visible to more people.

People need to get used to that #mastodon and #fediverse in general is and should be different to centralized social networks.

In this case, just click on a post with a @mention, a check the original post. It takes only one more step, but it definitely increases communication and engagement.

@Gargron Initially was disappointed to not have it, but as I used the platform more... Honestly is a gift. Even "good" creators fall victim to creating dogpiles through qrts. Worst one I saw was a trans creator clapping back at someone who misgendered her, and the person apologized and used the right pronouns very quickly after being corrected before the qrt, only to have that person get dogpiled by thousands of well meaning on lookers. This will happen again if we let it.

@Gargron No, please do consider it, and deny it. Quote re-tweeting, or re-tooting, is just a very sad mechanism .

@Gargron FWIW, a “no thank you” vote here.

@Gargron please implement it.

@Gargron "One model fits all" approach created some major issues on other social media sites. Considering that features like quote posts have been asked by many, including journalists, having the possibility to opt-out/opt-in will help others to configure Mastodon according to their needs.

@Gargron honestly, I’m loving Mastodon without quote posts. It is lovely here without the dog-piling, especially as I was a victim at the other place. I feel safer here.
If you must do it, consider how to back out. Consider how to record incidents of it being misused.

@gargron Why not make a QT/QP a function of a reply? An additional option when you reply to a post to quote the original. Then you get the same “protection” of a reply, but with the ability to include the quote if you want to.

@Gargron Thank you!

@Gargron Please no.

@Gargron I'm glad to hear this. People who wish to add a comment to a Boost should have access to such a feature. People who would abuse such a feature should not have access to the system at all.

@Gargron
I’m glad it’s not an option here.

I can always link to a particular post, and whoever is interested can join the conversation right there.

That’s good with me.

I hope it doesn’t come. I think it would make this space here change a lot , and I’ll opt out the minute it comes.

I was never on Twitter, but I’ve seen too many newbies relieved about the style of communication here to believe that a “demand” to have things like they are over there is a good idea.

@Gargron every epic. quote posts are awesome

@Gargron THANK YOU

@Gargron Hooray!

@Gargron For my understanding, what is a 'quote post'?

@gargron @dahukanna It can also be done in better ways than Twitter, as described here: https://mastodon.social/@bigzaphod/109508480570261961

@Gargron not good news

@Gargron No thanks, the lack of QT’s is a feature I like on here.

@Gargron Thank you so much :myano_wild:

@Gargron

I'd be satisfied with a "boost with added CW" option. Lots of posts out there that I've had to opt out of sharing only because they lacked an important CW.

@Gargron well that's a bad idea and will lead to conflict so I hope anywhere with a possibility of conflict realises this & doesn't do it.

Being inspired to make a new toot without calling out the writer of the first toot is enough and leads to discussion of topics instead of people.

@Gargron Noooo :blobcatno: :blobcatsad:

@Gargron The demand comes exclusively from those who want Mastodon to be Twitter.

Mastodon is not Twitter.

@Gargron hope you decide to do it. I think it's a great feature of Tw1773r!

@Gargron Thank you for listening to the feedback while taking into account the concerns of dissenters!

@Gargron
Who is "we"? That seems to be the core issue with Mastodon, no one is in charge. So how do improvements get into the software? Who decides? I've seen a site for suggestions, but it expects the person suggesting to be an experienced Mastodon developer / tester.

@Gargron i see no reason not to add it as a feature and make it optional for instances to turn on and off as they see fit, and have it so users turn on and off whether they see them like we can with boosts.

@Gargron What’s #quote #post mean? Sharing #inspiration sayings, for example?

#NewHere & confused…

@Gargron Please don't consider it. As you said in 2018, the system as it is encourages interaction. I can boost the toot I reply to if I want to drive further conversation under the original toot. My toot still appears to those who follow me and replies can be added to that. I don't see a problem with this or a need to add something that (in my mind) implies a popularity contest and removes the OP from the discussion.
Imagine "quote tooting" against your post instead of all this feedback

@Gargron thank you! I feel this is really missing. It’s really useful to add thoughts to a post you like or recommend someone to other people.

@Gargron Please don't add quote posts. Yes, it's more work without them but it's also good to be more purposeful about our posts

@Gargron The quicker Mastodon developers get over their anxiety of having to be so different to Twitter, the more likely it is that Mastodon will actually take over Twitter's role as a public forum. It's not like Twitter came up with basic human interaction. You should just employ the same functions that clearly work for Twitter.

@Gargron as someone who wants QTs a way round the objections would be to allow people to opt out of QTs as was an option on twitter.

@Gargron disappointed to see you succumb to the twitter masses. It’s only being requested because people are lazy and want what they had. There’s no need for it at all. If rather see work done to reduce the cache overhead on an instance. All those account headers being stored is just madness.

@Gargron I would count quote posts in the repost counter. And show the reply counter the post.

@Gargron I miss it only because I enjoyed forwarding good stuff to friends with ease. Flip side: It encouraged outrage-storms, and I very much don't miss those. 🤔

@Gargron I think a lot depends on how they're presented at the front-end. On the bird site, it's easy for the original post to become de-contextualised and negatively framed.
Whereas if the original post was shown the same as a regular boost but with the new content as additional context, that may help keep the usage positive

@Gargron Considering is good. I would like to see this feature implemented.

@Gargron

In my view, the right approach is to provide the quote capability, introduce it with a cautionary note, and trust the users to (largely) use it appropriately...

#TwitterMigration #newhere

@Gargron
Maybe just allow to ad content when making a reblog...

@Gargron please don't

@Gargron this is great to hear - thank you!

@Gargron 😕

@Gargron

BTW, who are the we in "We're"?

@Gargron noooooo!

@Gargron a lot of the demand would be satisfied with better inline link previews for other mastodon posts - ie showing the whole post text rather than the heavily truncated version it currently shows - which encourages people to add screen shots for clarity.

@Gargron ok elon musk keep it in the issue tracker thanks

@Gargron

Quote Tweets drove my off Twitter.

I really do not want to see endless variations of people of one political persuasion, saying that people of a different political persuasion are stupid.

Quote tweets very rarely lead to additional incites, but does lead to timelines being filled with nonsense.

Yes toxic behaviour is generally driven by people not just technology, but people don't want to admit to their own failings. So best not to make it too easy for toxic behaviour.

@Gargron Thanks. 👍

@Gargron I just hope the same won’t happen with big tech funding Mastodon…

@Gargron Tends toward sanctimony. I'm not a fan.

"Listen to this silly little girl" etc

@Gargron Maybe just render boosts of replies to include the original toot they're referring to. So a quote toot is essentially nothing but a boosted reply in the original thread that looks like a quote toot in timelines (connection, visibility & „moderatibility“ in original context are thus preserved).

@Gargron Maybe opt in. I like it but yeah, can be really nasty and insidious.

@Gargron

I think it would be great. To me, this and the ability to have a GIF picker is what lacks in terms of functionality.

@Gargron Mastodon is good as it is. Don’t change it.

@Gargron I really love to quote. But when it attracts bad behaviour it’s not so funny.

@Gargron W

@Gargron
It's a terrible feature. 🙁

@Gargron It could be a useful feature I suppose but I would not want it to take priority over necessary bug fixes, moderator’s time, performance gains or security for example.

@Gargron They are a much-needed tool 🛠🧰

@Gargron I would wait and reassess if/when the journalist class decides whether they’re really going to stay on mastodon, or if they’re just sheltering here until the weather at twitter quiets down. Anecdotal data, but I only ever see journalist expats whining about not having it, while the couple that I’ve seen who have really moved in to stay (making new friends, connections outside of other twitter expats, self hosting even) don’t seem to “need” it so badly. #QuotePosting

@Gargron
I am against quote posts, because people have a tendency to QT bad posts merely to add a snarky comment to them and basically say "LOL, look at this idiot!". QT further the spread of bad toots.

@Gargron My suggestion would be to have a system where an attempt to quote-post results in a notification being sent to the person being quoted who can then choose to approve or deny.

That should do several things: prevents people using quoting instead of replies (because quoting is much slower), and prevent the sort of hostile quotes that are used to call in a mob against someone.

It's also anti-viral.

@Gargron

on #Mastodon you can share a link to the post https://mastodon.social/@Gargron/109623891328707089 screen shot it, quote it in Alt text, but all takes considered time…

All ‘Quote posts’ on Twitter did was get rid of Modified Tweet - MT? It made things fast and easy!

Quote posts on #Twitter can be supportive or abusive, but the efficiency of it makes it fast. Isn’t this space a more considered, mindful space, speeding things up helps people to be less considerate?

@Gargron I’m glad there is deliberation before implementing. Technically it would be easy to quickly build a similar function in several different ways. The complexity is around doing it in an equitable and inclusionary way that doesn’t allow powerful accounts (with many followers) to appropriate control of a conversation from a smaller account who originally generated a thought-provoking discussion.

@Gargron I look at quote-posts as preview of the post. That's, just how you can preview image and title and part of description of a web page, quote posts could be same to save that additional visit.

@Gargron please don’t introduce quote posts. On the bird site, quote retweets caused nothing but abuse, dog piling, and less conversation. It’s not a culture mastodon needs.

@Gargron
Could one or two individual instances try it as an experiment?
People for whom it is truly important could migrate there. Those of us who miss them, but are learning to appreciate life without them (and without the concomitant pile-ons) could stay put?
Just an idea... :ablobcaramelldansen:

@Gargron
May I suggest a retroactive disabling of quoting if you do choose to add this feature? Something that would allow the OP to stop all QTing and related threads and/or remove the original content and hide/remove all the resulting threads? Additionally, it should be extremely clear in QT threads when a quoted toot has been edited...

@Gargron ☹️ look at the vitriol during the quote tweet dunking on Lex Friedman’s book list and Skip Bayless’ NFL game comment just in the past week on Twitter. The two tweets dominated discussion. Tens of millions if not hundreds of millions of outrage views and angry heat posts with little substance.

It is not worth the engagement. It will change the atmosphere and the vibe on here to be far worse.

@Gargron
How about the ability to edit the ALT text? Would greatly appreciate. Also, in general, just thanks for giving us a better alternative.

@Gargron Gonna leave my opinion here if this has the potential to become a reality. https://mstdn.games/@Nawen/109593605132298642

@Gargron I'd prefer built in gif support tbh 😂

@Gargron I am a recent immigrant from the birdsite and a convert to no #QTs, so hope you don’t add them.
What’s wrong with simply opening up a Toot reply from someone you follow to see the thread if it appears interesting? Mayba tiny bit more effort, bu it keeps timelines cleaner and less demanding of attention

@Gargron You could spend time on more important things, just saying.

@Gargron Make it easy to filter/silence. Per instance even.

@Gargron @ecological_fallacy please no. It’s a tool that makes dunking and bullying easier.

It’s for people who want to add their own ‘editorial’ comment rather than humbly reply and enrich the original conversation.

Please don’t bring in quote posts.

@Gargron Strong disagree. Creates nothing but drama bait and harassment/dogpiling, as shown on that other site.

@Gargron please don't. Lots of us here hate it; it means some people can hijack our posts, or that they can denigrate what we say, without bothering with a reply, as in "listen to what this idiot is saying". Anyway, if they want to go on and do it, they can still screenshot

@Gargron Nosocial is one reason I am against QPs. they boost #Lies #stop #TheBigLies

@Gargron I am pleasantly surprised. This is good.

I'm a big fan of quote posts but I hope you add a toggle in the FE settings to disable it, considering how many people are equally opposed to this.