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@Gargron I've been here about 6 weeks now and I've adjusted to the space I have opted to join.
There's a lot of demand for sugar but it doesn't make it better for us. I'm wondering how much extra work it may it may not create for site moderators.
Not that I know an awful lot.
Moving to Mastadon has reminded me how basic my IT skills are. I'm okay with being humbled.

I do find it useful for reading well written articles.

@Gargron yes . The option should be here

@Gargron
i dont get it.

@Gargron Thanks! I'd suggest 3-fold support:
- Users can opt-in to allowing quote posts (in general)
- A user can allow a quote-post on an individual toot
-If a user feels a toot is being abused through a quote-post, they can disable it for the post retrospectively & revoke any quote-posts that had been done.

@Gargron https://youtu.be/jPmb0F00YPE

@Gargron I’m sure you’ve heard this from others, but would love if you considered making them tumblr-style reblogs, where the commentary goes below the original post! Feels a lot more collaborative that way ❤️

@Gargron my two cents: this feature should not be added unless it is supported by ActivityPub. Breaking compatibility with the rest of the Fediverse defeats the primary goal of the project.

If that means getting the standard updated first, so be it. There is no rush. We've been making do without this feature since the beginning.

@Gargron In my, very, humble opinion, I think this is the wrong move.
Mastodon works great just the way it is.

@Gargron Don't do it please! This will fuel toxic bejaviours.

@Gargron Must confess I used Twitter on a daily basis for several years and never even knew quote tweeting was a thing. (If you wonder how that's possible, I had a standing rule to never read replies there.) But here, it would have been handy on several occasions when I wanted to respond to a particular idea someone posted. Threads get chaotic and difficult to follow, so the ability to quote would be useful. I made do the old-school way, with copy and paste.

@Gargron often people want to have things that are more evil than good, when you think about it twice

@Gargron I don't really need them & I don't mind them. But recently I have realized that sometimes people might want to boost something that is in another language and translate it into the main language of their audience. In such cases, that feature would be very useful.

@Gargron
There is no need for it for the software to work. I hope you do not add it.

I get the feeling the demands are mostly from (ex)Twitter users who haven't had the time to get used to here and want to keep their habits.

@Gargron Please don’t. Having been active here for a little while it has become increasingly obvious that there is nothing that quote posts add that cannot be achieved in other, more constructive ways.

You seem to have found an elusive behavioural ‘nudge’ that encourages engagement while discouraging polarisation and tribalism. Don’t let the Twitter influx persuade you to turn Mastodon into another Twitter. Thank you!

@Gargron It's no secret that bad actors on the bird site get their controversial (and often quite vile) posts in front of more people using QR's - how will Mastodon tackle this? My twitter timeline is virtually unreadable because of QR's from well meaning people boosting the worst of the worst, I don't see how limiting who can QR your own tweets isn't going to stop this on Mastodon

@Gargron
I like quotes as they are the meat of a book or what someone said.
It is a good way to learn something in condensed form.

@Gargron @Claydisarray nooooooooooooooo

@gargron :mastosob:

@Gargron would it be possible to give the person quoted some degree of control? For example, if they blocked the quoter, maybe they would no longer show up in the quoted post.

This seems like a compromise that might mitigate the bullying problem a bit.

@Gargron I think it's now effectively a referendum on changing the culture to something with the risks and benefits of Twitter. It seems to me the core aim is to make it easier to use social media for influence, clout, and manipulation vs than "same-level" communication. It'll always be claimed to be for the greater good of course.

One question is whether you want the responsibility for mitigating the known risks of empowering that culture. Or is the next step "helpful" volunteers taking over?

@cecileduflot Ça peut vous intéresser.

@Gargron nice! And please concise network - wide hashtag search. So much content gets lost in some corners here

@Gargron can you start by improving link previews for posts and makes sure that links to Fediverse content federates correctly? This alone would fix much of the issues of QT even without a specific UI

@gargron great 👍

@Gargron I don't much care about quote toots, but boy, I would love to have a better indicator that a post is a reply in a conversation.

@Gargron Thanks, I think they’d add context and texture to discussions here.

@Gargron Hmmm. It took me quite some time to get used to the fact that you can't quote posts.
Now I'm quite happy, that we don't have it here ...

@Gargron Please don’t.

@Gargron thanks. Sometimes i want to explain why i want to boost.

@Gargron Thank you! As an artist, I love Quote retweets to gush about how amazing a piece of art is, and I also love ot when people QRT my work

@Gargron please consider the effects of QTs - for example those who use it are often those who don’t want a proper conversation, because you can’t follow the conversation easily. It is commonly used by right wing journalists and MPs to encourage a pile on. Not having it is refreshing!

@Gargron Noooo :(

@Gargron Ethical concerns about quote posts and full text search seem resolvable by letting users opt in. What am I missing?

@Gargron please, by Default opt in. Some of us do not need quote posts. Or that the Option is available only to people who activate it on settings. Something like that

@Gargron
Another thing I still miss is to get some sort of "view" of what is actively spoken about on the network, or at least in *my* network. I know I can search for / follow hashtags, but something like a wordcloud of frequently used terms in my network would be nice.

@gargron I'm not a fan either. I was a Twitter user before quote tweets were introduced and I really think it changed the platform. I think opting out will only work if we can opt out of seeing other people's quotes. Thanks for all you do!

@Gargron please don’t do this, quote tweeting is mostly folks trying to dunk on one another with bs hot takes, there’s no need for that here and Mastodon is better without it.

If folks want to quote tweet, let ‘‘em do it old school style and copy/paste with rt tag.

@Gargron
I donate to #mastodon project mainly to get quote posts.

When you eliminate the #algorithm that incentives nastiness to generate more impressions for more ad revenue then it removes incentive to abuse quote posts.

@Gargron Quoting would be a nice feature for various reasons, but it could also be an unnecessary torture. I feel that it's okay to be quoted when someone wants to boost + express their opinion in one post without taking part in the conversation. Not having to be notified, or see, that someone quoted you (at least as an option) would save a lot of mental work and energy to people getting upset, having to block, mute, get back at, etc. And it prevents active misquoting, right?

@Gargron 😬

@Gargron quoting posts is my most missing feature in Mastodon.
I don't like share toots without adding a comment why I want to share it.

@Gargron it will only bring poison and disgrace to this network, although admittedly that will make it more popular.

@Gargron Thank you!

@Gargron Quote posts suck. Don't go there.

@Gargron I don't like them but I also don't care that much about it.

My view is that Quoting detracts from the original post and puts the focus on the quoter. Any boosts or likes on the quote are not reflected as boosts or likes on the original, unless you make some interesting technical decisions 😅.

Knowing the reach and effect of your post is useful and quoting will dull that ability. It will effectively give a tool for influencers and trolls.

This feature should be known as Quote Boost.

@Gargron@mastodon.social

Huh.
Mass vs logic

Mass wins ?

@Gargron Thanks! It's great to be able to add a few own words to stuff you boost to help give it some context.

@Gargron I find the absence of quote posts contributes a lot to the nice atmosphere here. It’s a feature I don’t miss.

@Gargron please don' t

@Gargron I don’t see any good reason to enable quote posts and some strong reasons not to. I’d go even further and crack down on screencap posts that are used for the same nasty hatchet job.

@gargron simply don't!

They just want you to clone #birdsite with its negative effects.

@Gargron don’t!

@Gargron best thing ever. I wish I could quote RT this:)

@Gargron Should be opt-in by original poster?

@Gargron I have a question concerning governance and guidelines: Who actually decides on this exactly? According to which criteria?

@Gargron would love to see them.

@Gargron Oh please, don’t!

@Gargron people post links to toots and bypass to achieve the same outcome… I dislike quote tooting, too, but a managed approach is preferable imho

@Gargron please don’t

@Gargron that's a shame. You'll regret it so quickly

@Gargron I sincerely hope you won't do it. The absense of quotposting is an important part of why Mastodon is so much better than the birdsite imo. People can achieve the same by rebooting and replying. QT is about self-promoting huge egos. 🙏

@Gargron I like mastodon for how it encourages original posting not making remarks on other’s post. Personally not a fan of quote boosts. May make citing easier so people can comment on toots on timelines when needed?

@Gargron cc: @taylorlorenz

@Gargron it'll be hundreds and hundreds of quote-boosts that just say "yep" "this" "same" . It will dilute out the actually interesting, unique content that makes this place special now. If they say they're "thinking about it" then it's already going to happen, which is really too bad. It was one of my favorite things here.

@Gargron I believe there's an item in the tracker for it? And it includes settings in the account "allow quote posts" and per toot settings "account default/allow quote/disallow quote"?

That would be giving people options.

@Gargron how about opting in or out (which would also show/hide QTs from display) and auto opt out if you have less than certain number of followers, and maybe a trial period.

@Gargron When I follow a new person on Birdsite, the very first thing I do is disable rebirds by that person.

I hate people boosting something without adding their view or opinion on the matter. If I follow you, I want YOUR opinion, not that of a stranger.

Contrary to most, I think quoted boosts should be the only kind of boosts allowed. I would definitely appreciate the option to see only quoted boosts and hide all others.

@Gargron to date not having QT is the best argument I use to persuade people to join Mastodon... It really helps to make people thing about talking To rather than About someone else.

@Gargron I don't know about this specifically, but there is a bias for change. People that are happy with the status quo are less likely to post about it.

@Gargron Thank you for considering it! can you also consider how to make mastodon's version if you implement it work interoperably with the rest of the fediverse that already has it? it would be great if it could display properly across platforms.

@Gargron Genuine question: What's the practical difference between a QRT and just linking to a toot?

@Gargron I don’t want quote posts, if you decide to add it, please let us choose show/not show this option, thanks!

@Gargron One benefit is that people see straight off the bat, that the quote really is from the quoted person. Not just propaganda. I see this as an improvement against dis- and misinformation.

@Gargron The point of adding a quote-post feature is to allow users to add context to items already shared on Mastodon servers without having to go through extra steps. Some prefer to limit discussion by hiding behind the lie that the tools create the culture, when it's the other way around. Those insisting on being able to opt out or prevent their posts from being quoted ignore that such can be done by simply going to followers-only mode.

@Gargron the lack of quote tweets makes for a calmer and friendlier network, I've found, with less focus on engagement and the negative effects of pile-ons. I hope it's not added.

But if it is added, I also hope there's an option to turn that off, and turn it off in bulk.

@Gargron Please don't. The potential bad far outweighs the possible good.

@Gargron I'd be more interested in Mastodon exploring new ways of communication than copying old bad ones.

@Gargron Hi, people here should be widely consulted before deciding.

@Gargron Can we at least make it more like Tumblr's reblogs so no context is cut off? should work better with activitypub too afaik

@Gargron

Please don’t. After initially missing them, I’ve realised it’s much better without them.

@Gargron
in a way it already works,
pasting in a link,
speeding that up would be very much appreciated 🙂

@Gargron listening to the consumers is good. But don't listen to their every demand. Especially the ones from #twittermigration. I personally want the ability to follow someone but not see their posts on my feed cause I want to add them to separate lists and only look at them at decided times

@Gargron Please don't. Mastodon ran well for years, apparently, nobody seemed to want it. Then with the sudden influx from Twitter (me included) there is a call for quote posts. Can't we just give it time beofre making changes? It seems to me that people want to make it twitter v2. Exepct an increase in bullying etc... sigh...

@Gargron in some ways it sounds a bit like the weapons debate. People say the tool is not the problem, people are. I am a good person so I should get to have the tool,which is fine arguement. However, if no one has access to the tool, the ‘bad’ people will be less of a problem because they cant abuse the tool. And maybe the ‘good’ people will find a more ingenious tool?
footnote: this is just a thought. I do not wish to open a debate on tools of any sort. only table saw vs circular saw.

@Gargron Than you could implement downvotes as well. please don't.

@Gargron I’m fine with it but if you added a way to filter for it that would be ideal.

@Gargron once you go there, you can never go back

@Gargron 😱

@Gargron Having the quoted post shown first might already take the edge from dogpiling quote posts.

@Gargron What is the reason you don't like quote posts?

@Gargron I don't see the interest. It's a micro evolution! What is the view? What is the overall direction????