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    @henry_barreto @jcrabapple @TheBreadmonkey Even if Kagi promises privacy, I have a hard time trusting that it's 100% guaranteed when using their service requires a subscription and login. @eighthourlunch @henry_barreto @TheBreadmonkey they're also adding Privacy Pass integration this month.  @jcrabapple @eighthourlunch @henry_barreto @TheBreadmonkey Ooo, that part (privacy pass) is interesting -- do they have more details on this somewhere? (This _should_ allow users to prove to Kagi that they have a valid subscription without revealing who they are -- but of course the details are very important here ;) @meejah @eighthourlunch @henry_barreto @TheBreadmonkey yes that is the goal, but it was just mentioned on their 2024 year end call. There should be more details coming soon. @jcrabapple @eighthourlunch @henry_barreto @TheBreadmonkey Cool. I've previously worked on a privacy-pass based payment system, so I'm very curious how they're using it here :) @eighthourlunch @henry_barreto @jcrabapple @TheBreadmonkey huh, isn‘t it actually the other way around? Only by requiring a subscription, and making money from me as their customer they can offer true anonymity in searches. Because they don‘t need to scan your content to serve you ads. Very happy Kagi user. @Mastokarl @henry_barreto @jcrabapple @TheBreadmonkey Unless I'm looking at the source code and know that's what's in production, or have trusted a third party that can reasonably ensure the same, then no. Even then, they still collect personal data for payment and login. I'm open to evidence, but I'm still wary about creating yet another login and monthly cost. Search used to work reasonably well without either. @eighthourlunch @Mastokarl @henry_barreto @jcrabapple @TheBreadmonkey I'm in this boat: I like the _idea_ of Kagi, and am certainly open to paying for service / lack-of-ads / lack-of-"AI" -- but I do not love "look-aside" claims of anonymity. That is, a "trust us, we're not logging the data that we definitely have access to". I'd rather have a protocol which doesn't give them access to these data (and this is why mentions of "privacy pass" are exciting). @jcrabapple @TheBreadmonkey How are you finding Kagi? I think I last used it at a previous company for some project, but that was about 2 years ago now. @governorkeagan @TheBreadmonkey I love it and advocate for it. It's the way a search engine should be. It's like Google when Google was good, but it's private and more customizable. @jcrabapple @TheBreadmonkey That’s great to hear! I’ve been using DDG for years at this point but I love the idea of customising my search engine (e.g the mastodon toggle you have)  @jcrabapple @governorkeagan @TheBreadmonkey Kagi is about as good as Google was ten years ago. I pay for a family subscription to the basic search, have not tried their llm stuff at all. Their maps are still developing. @jcrabapple @governorkeagan @TheBreadmonkey 100% agree. And it doesn‘t offer you any sponsored content, your top search result is always the most relevant to you, and not the one that some company paid most for for your search terms. I actually like that it integrates AI :-). @Mastokarl @governorkeagan @TheBreadmonkey they do "AI" in a really smart way. Out of the way and completely optional.  @econads @TheBreadmonkey  @grechaw @econads @TheBreadmonkey you can filter out the ai-crap from google by https://udm14.com/ but that doesn't hinder anyone to generate a fake trailer or, scourge of the earth, an article that uses all the right keywords but has no information at all (every time I look up if a second movie/season of something is comming) @TheBreadmonkey yeah, that's my first try, too. But sometimes the information just isn't there or it's unsure if it's up to date @grechaw @TheBreadmonkey I've been using the DDG browser and search for a few years. Generally happy with it. Our work laptops updated to Win11, Edge, CoPilot and Google search set as defaults. It's just an awful experience. Fortunately, it's not locked down so much that I couldn't swap to DDG. @Sir_Osis_of_Liver @TheBreadmonkey do companies get paid by MS to do that? What's the motivation? I'm not sure. We've got about 30k desktop/laptop Windows installs. If there was a financial benefit, I'm sure they'd go for it.  @econads @Sir_Osis_of_Liver @TheBreadmonkey It could be good deals at scale for MS licenses, and/or that IT departments select the easiest/most commonly used programs/OSes as the standard because having to troubleshoot every possibility with people who would say the browser they’re using is a “Mac” can get pretty tedious. @WhiteCatTamer @econads @Sir_Osis_of_Liver @TheBreadmonkey it's the latter. MS doesn't give you anything for setting those defaults. @nilz @TheBreadmonkey @TheBreadmonkey It seems day by day we are just browsing data on the internet and think we are getting information @Nobbie @TheBreadmonkey We're not even browsing data. We're being force-fed bull crap. @airwhale @TheBreadmonkey Yeah, but Morpheus was all like "Where'd ya think he is" and Lovejoy was all like "who knows" so they definitely left it open if they wanted. @TheBreadmonkey I hear the death bell tolling, but I also don;t know what that exactly means with a monolith/monopoly like Google. For similar reasons, we have been phasing out Google home and nest. Google assistant is just completely worthless anymore -"I don't know, but here's what I found on search" (which, go figure, leads you to pages much like these) There's a lot of broken, and no I don't think Gemini is up to task to fix it. @TheBreadmonkey I had some thoughts. If somebody introduces the e-mail service that's as ubiquitous as the Gmail one-click thingy but vows to ONLY provide the email service (no other crap), it'll be an effective hit to Google's market share. @freevolt24 @TheBreadmonkey  @TheBreadmonkey damn, I just checked, it's really how Google look like for this query :AngeryCat: @TheBreadmonkey *official fan made* concept trailers make YouTube a giant source of misinformation. Google needs to remove them when when claiming to be official. Even better would be a filter to remove videos not from a recognised official source. That's why I hate searching for upcoming movies on Google, I can't tell if they are already in theaters or not and that pisses me off.  Do people really still use pizza-glue Google search engine these days in 2025 ? #askingforafriend @TheBreadmonkey here's what it returns when you enable "old google" using this search: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/05/google-searchs-udm14-trick-lets-you-kill-ai-search-for-good/  @tayfonay @TheBreadmonkey I was initially suprised the article didn’t mention https://udm14.com/, by @ernie but then inrealized it was from early last year.  @Wraithe @tayfonay @TheBreadmonkey Reading comprehension is a challenge sometimes. If it makes you feel better, I originally wrote “breading comprehension.” @Wraithe @tayfonay @TheBreadmonkey (Which sounds like an excellent title for a Tedium post) @ernie @tayfonay @TheBreadmonkey Yeah my reading compression is phenomenal it never phails me, especially when commenting on grammur.  @TheBreadmonkey how can we get sure that this is what Google showed/shows when doing that search and not something made up by a random person? I couldn't replicate it.  @TheBreadmonkey I’ll just note that the links to sell you actual wick movies appear to be real. Learn nothing, shop!  @TheBreadmonkey It's a good example of the #enshittification of #Google. Would be interesting to know if people ever complained directly to Google. On Youtube, nearly the same: Every Ad they show is AI-crap and even worse: fakes of the work of copyright holders whose original work becomes invisible. A tip: Using Firefox, you can easily add https://udm14.com/ into your search machine menu. Do you have the original Reddit link? This image might be a useful starting point for a class aimed at helping students improve their research skills. @TheBreadmonkey ha.. MORE FUN: https://www.democracynow.org/2025/1/2/wicked_the_wizard_of_oz_and \\\ 12 years go ! ha.. @TheBreadmonkey I've switched to DuckDuckGo although it's a matter of time before Bing AI takes over there as well. Google had sometime back been asking for location information and I just got tired of saying no all the time. Made the switch and never looked back.  @TheBreadmonkey I wanted to see if I got the same result. So I start typing 'john wick chapter' into #Google. I never use Google, so it's got very little to go on. The top to auto completions are "John Wick: Chapter 5". And when I selected john wick chapter 5, I got pretty much the same results you posted.   @TheBreadmonkey Google search is dog shit, even Google's (not) A.I tell's users the search is dog shit... it's probably the only thing it gets correct  @TheBreadmonkey the US version of google search results are pretty awful these days @TheBreadmonkey I had started noticing multiple dodgy-looking 'trailers' for various alleged Marvel films, particularly ones concerning Iron Man which were clearly bollocks since as of End Game the character is killed off.  @TheBreadmonkey directly related: @acegikmo's latest YouTube video on "AI" in search results for a simple technical question    @TheBreadmonkey Interesting. Not used Google for years, well, not directly anyway, used Startpage which uses it of course. For what its worth, Mojeek search engine results below and a link to their Search Summaries description page (not actually read yet but will). #Mojeek #SearchEngine https://blog.mojeek.com/2024/04/mojeek-search-summary.html  @TheBreadmonkey@beige.party john wick 5 doesn't even make any fucking sense like what the fuck are they gonna do, resurrect him and rope in keanu reeves to play a dead character? @TheBreadmonkey I miss when the internet had at least some semblance of useful information when you'd search @TheBreadmonkey Duck Duck Go doesn't have any trouble with it: @TheBreadmonkey So google is at the same point as yahoo and alta vista? Sounds like an opportunity to start an internet search company.  @TheBreadmonkey Just like AI noise, if has become more important to show what they think you want to see rather than anything with any real usefulness. @TheBreadmonkey That's why I started using DuckDuckGo years ago and don't miss Google Search. Obviously it's not perfect, but in comparison to Google it's not bloated with unnecessary and misleading sections, and what's important for me has better instant answers like StackOverflow integration.  @TheBreadmonkey  @TheBreadmonkey The bad news is: Even if a few people try to keep their sanity by switching to another search engine/frontend/whatever - This crap is built into three+ billion devices and most of the people using those do not know or care if the answers are actually correct. So Google will go forward with this and serve completely false information as standard, because they still make money off of it... @TheBreadmonkey Experimentally googled the same thing, saw Keanu Reeves say his knees say no to Chapter 5. Are you claiming that was a fake interview or are the annotations on the screenshot partially fake themselves?  Yeah sure fine whatever, but when is 6 coming out? Yeah Google is a disaster. I'm more often than not getting factually wrong results and I always ignore the AI highlight thing. SEO "optimization" is also the problem. And at Google, they filter out nothing.  @TheBreadmonkey I also find content for JW 7. Looks like people like creating fake movie trailers for the clicks oslt.  |
@TheBreadmonkey Whoa that’s a whole page of AI fakery! I didn’t imagine Google could get this bad.