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Wait till we get to clitoris...

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It's often discussed how male failure is a social issue we need to solve. Perhaps we don’t need to solve it. Those who are capable of adapting will. Those who are not won't be passing along their legacy.

@Daojoan This also explains racism, culture wars, xenophobia, homophobia, transphobia, and more...

Educated people who are doing well are difficult to manipulate into blaming the people around them (and especially below them on the socioeconomic scale) for their lack of success.

@Daojoan Pretty much the world. Only the pathetic men are afraid of talented and smart women.

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Interesting.

It's a normal (yet shitty) human behaviour to irrationally apportion blame to external factors to explain one's bad performance (It's part of a theory called "locus of control" if I remember well). It's a self defence mechanism.

What I wonder is what comes first: internal unconscious misogyny coming up when one's self esteem is threatened, or the low self esteem makes one's more prone to believe misogynistic ideas coming from others?

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@Daojoan You know? I can't say that I disagree with that. Most low brow males are stupid instinctual humans. 🤣

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Love it!

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I wonder if it's occurred to anybody to investigate whether the bad behavior toward women & the poor skill levels spring from a common source: i.e., a sense of entitlement, instead of a commitment to levelling up?

@Daojoan incel behavior

@Daojoan Poor performing males… aaaaaahahahahahah!!

@Daojoan see US Politics.

@Daojoan but like unironically, it is

@Daojoan Yeah, no. Don't use evo psych bs even for noble causes.

@Daojoan i have experienced this...both personal and work related...
Got called names on vermintide 2 by guys who were struggling, but got compliments from the higher level guys...

@Daojoan CC @vriska

@Daojoan Back in the 2006-2009 time frame my favorite past time was playing Battlefield 2142. As a team based game with squads its good to have an SL with a head for the game. My favorite SL was a woman that went by the gamer tag of Arithea. Those were the best times I've had playing a team based MP game. I miss those days.

@Daojoan Insecurity.

@Daojoan Reminds me of what I’m experiencing in the California Sierra Club. Older male NIMBYs who have been parting the same old shit about people bring pollution so don’t build more housing are threatened by me (a she/her). Younger ones with more policy chops about density helping cut CO2 are encouraging and responsive.

@Daojoan Eh, i'd say that's true across the gender board. Did they get a baseline for comparison by seeing how female gamers reacted to other female gamers of different skill levels? I'll bet a similar action is at work that crosses genderlines, though it may express somewhat differently. Woman can be just as vicious at undercutting another female they're jealous of.

@Daojoan i wish it didn't came from bs evolutionary psychology but the findings themselves are funny

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Or, "why so many more men than women voted for Trump".

@Daojoan There's a Venn diagram here where bigotry and the Dunning-Kruger effect collide.

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The paper for those interested
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4503401/

@Daojoan I don't think this does show it as a skill issue. If your only reason to be positive towards women is because you don't feel threatened by them due to your own high skill level, how is that any better than those who are negative towards them because they feel threatened due to their own low skill level. I'm not giving out stars for good behaviour that stems from a feeling of superiority.

@Daojoan Evo psych is pseudoscience tho

@Daojoan Donald Trump beat two more skilled women, I think that’s all the proof anyone needs for that theory!

@Daojoan many years ago my wife was a helluva Counterstrike player. She was even part of a team that had a pro division. Though she never was quite good enough to qualify for the pros, she “pwned n00bs” regularly. This was always the case for her. The skilled players (including the pros) were always respectful to her. The scrubs would be very likely to use misogynistic and transphobic slurs against her.

@Daojoan adressing men about misogynistic behavior in gaming...

Cue the misogynistic men saying this isnt a thing or cry about pseudoscience...while demonstrating the described behavior verbatum

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This is analogous to the Reconstruction Era where self government included, for the first time ever in the US, elected officials of African descent usually those who had somehow been emancipated prior to the war but the millions of former enslaved men were able to participate in elections across all the states in former CSA states. Having less skill in governing and organizing the people gave rise to the KKK and similar racial violence of those who were never in the power structure.

@Daojoan Interesting but not unexpected.

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Video games only level you up.

Maybe they could level you down?

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All other context and detail aside, the one thing that is always true of misogyny is that it's borne of fear and insecurity, like so many other malignant behaviors.

For the interested reader, the study in question is: https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0131613

@Daojoan @Daojoan wait hang on: how was it "female-initiated disruption of a male hierarchy" instead of "women playing games"? They make it sound like a conspiracy to eject men from gaming.

@Daojoan this explains so fucking much

@Daojoan I'm playing #huntshowdown together with really good female teammates. I was far as I know the issue is not only in halo 3.

But the really sad part is that #crytec doesn't really care when you report such behavior...

@Daojoan i dont have time for multi-player sessions these days, but i have encountered both type of players in the past. Personally i dont have issues with having a girl gamer in my session. From my side i noticed that rage is at a lower level when loss is imminent, good chat and some good points in game scenario.

So to every girl gamer that reads this: chose the right session of gaming, try to have fun as much as possible. 👍

@Daojoan Just like chess and shooting becoming sex-segregated after a woman won or got close to winning.

@Daojoan it's a good hypothesis. There are no demographics in the study, would be interesting if there's a 3rd factor in the correlation (e.g. older men suck at video games and are more sexist than younger men). Should be studied further.

@Daojoan Pssst! The alt text for this image contains HTML entities.

Would you mind fixing? Doing a search for ‘&10;’ and replacing it with a space would already be an improvement. Thanks!

@Daojoan "But let's describe the different characteristics between men who are sexist! Can we please keep this about men? "

@Daojoan this explains at least 90% of the MAGA movement.

@Daojoan I'd say it's also connected to intelligence, as has been shown with studies regarding hostility. The lower intelligence the higher risk for hostile behaviour, not only misogyny but also e.g. racism. Note that education is not the same as intelligence.

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uhhh...? Idk. That doesn't mean the higher skilled dudes are being kind to chicks. They were just being 'nice'.
They might have been 'nice' while not feeling threatened, OR they might have actually been chill with anyone of lower skill level.

I don't think the difference is "git gud and get better at inter-gender social interaction."

I think the difference is "feel secure and get better at non-hierarchical social interaction."

@Daojoan "evolutionary psychology" is not a scientific approach of psychology though

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_evolutionary_psychology#Other_overall_areas_of_criticism

@Daojoan Basically the entire deal with incels--those who lack merit end up pulling rank within the gender-based dominance hierarchy. Just like poor southern whites being the most overt racists. Although it must be said that successful males and whites have their own less overtly personal ways of oppressing those on the lower rungs of their respective hierarchies. For successful males it might be a patriarchal marriage, while for successful whites it's the prison-industrial complex.

@Daojoan What do they mean by "Higher-skilled male players" who "behaved more positively". How did they determine the behaviour wasn't condescending and I wonder what would happened if they were challenged by an even higher skilled female player?

@Daojoan oh yes, their extinction burst is pathetic AF

@Daojoan Never seen this study, but I've definitely made the same observation in office culture.

@Daojoan I noticed this myself a lot. In games and IRL.

Enough boys/guys can’t handle that a female is better then them in games or STEM jobs.

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"female-initiated disruption of a male hierarchy incites hostile behaviour from poor performing males who stand to lose the most status".

But it's only another wording for the very old saying "a clever woman has millions of born enemies - all stupid men."

@Daojoan I wonder if the theory is applicable to racism also?

I trained my last but one work partner (who was a woman). I think she was surprised that I was supportive. I need a confident partner who knows what they're doing regardless of their gender. Being supportive is the only way to achieve that.

@Daojoan Really interesting. I wonder if those same poor performing males engage in suppressive behaviour more broadly?

If they are that worried about losing whatever status they do have to others then it might come out in other ways too - like bullying.

@Daojoan So basically, an inferiority complex.