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One charger to rule them all ๐ Only 100 days until the #commoncharger rules come into effect! From 28 December, all new handheld electronic devices sold in the EU will be required to use a USB-C charger. It means: More โ https://europa.eu/!hwjj3G 150 comments
 @Oleksii @EUCommission  @richlv @Oleksii @EUCommission some cheap mp3 players actually used to charge over the headphone jack.. Actually i think my mom still has her old first mobile phone somewhere that charged over the tiny headphone jack (the one that's even smaller than 3,5mm)  @CIMB4 @richlv @Oleksii @EUCommission iirc ipod nano charges over 3.5mm headphone jack as well @CIMB4 @vikinghoarder @Oleksii @EUCommission i have 3 or 4 devices with Jacks for charging and USB A on the other Side of the cable. Barrell Connectors and audio Style Jacks as well. @EUCommission The amount of apple fanboys I've seen the last year saying this is bad move is both hilarious and sad. I'm on Android but I'm still very glad this change happened @thibaultmol Meanwhile Apple apparently protecting their batteries โฆ The war continues!  @thibaultmol @EUCommission No the point being made was Apple (often being painted as the problem) had been using the lighting connector on every device since 2012 before USB-C was a thing while companies like Samsung, Hauwei, Motorola, Nokia, Honor etc... had been shipping out new ranges of phones every year some with USB-C some with micro-USB (from 2007) even as this law was being discussed. @kDelta @EUCommission I'm aware... But budget phones for the longest time still used micro-b. @thibaultmol @EUCommission And? Why? I bought a โฌ3.50 Qi charger from Ikea almost a decade ago and it had USB-C. Why did phones have miro-USB? Could Apple have used micro-USB up until this year? You can't have a double standard just to have a jab at Apple. That would make you a hypocrite Sir. @kDelta budget phones used micro B because it was cheaper than usb-c.... Why the f*** are you getting so angry about this?! XDDD I don't know why you're getting so emotionally frustrated in this discussion. (The only logical conclusion is that you are one of those apple fanboys (I can tell by your profile) and now you feel attacked.....) Bye, I've got better things to do @thibaultmol @kDelta Yikes. You might wanna step away from the keyboard for a moment.  @thibaultmol Apple fanboys suffer from a psychiatric problem. They cannot bear the existence of anyone with a complaint against Apple. So they try desperately to shut such a person up completely. @thibaultmol @EUCommission Mr Reply-and-Block it seems to be you who is the angry one about this. If you didnโt want to continue the discussion just stop and feel free to block, but to try and pretend you finished the discussion, just petty. The point I was making was that USC-C was evidently cheap enough if a โฌ3.50 Qi charger can have it. Additionally cheap is not always the answer anyway. As to me being an โApple Fanboyโ Iโm actually currently taking Apple to court for something. ๐คทโโ๏ธ @thibaultmol @EUCommission (American) Apple fan here, Iโd like to thank the EU for doing what capitalism and my own government wouldnโt.  @EUCommission @thibaultmol I have not seen a single one. I have seen many people even outside of the EU that are thankful that the EU now finally forces Apple to use USB-C. @melgu Even here on mastodon i'm seeing many fanboys crying to the EU for forcing apple and others to adopt USB-C. it's wild...  @thibaultmol @EUCommission Meh, the iPad has used USB-C a while now, about time the iPhone did too.   @yngmar @EUCommission YES! I would really like to see some manufacturing standards; or at LEAST labeling standards for cables with usb-c-shaped connectors. Preferably written on the cable itself so when I'm digging through the cable drawer I don't have to test them to find out which ones can push at least 30W  @expertenkommision_cyberunfall @EUCommission  @expertenkommision_cyberunfall @EUCommission yes because all of your old devices will have to be retrofitted with usb-c jacks by law ๐คก Honestly, just spend a minute thinking before you post polemic nonsense, please. There is a "before" and an "after" which seems to be related to the mentioned "in 100 days". @EUCommission For those with short memory, the common charger was already a thing 15 years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_external_power_supply How can we make sure the regulation is successful this time and not abandonned again in 5 years to be reinstated again in 10 years? ๐ค  @gendx @EUCommission Afaict that one was never really a rule and the agreement only covered smartphones. This one is for *everything* portable and USB-PD/USB-C as a standard has enough room to not get outdated anywhere close to as quickly. Afaict, Apple won't be able to dodge it with an adapter this time, either. Can't wait for my next electric razors to be USB-charged, tbh. The current ones are by the same manufacturer yet still require two different chargers. Interesting some small embedded devices I have (vapes, that sort of thing) which have USB-C still don't charge unless they have a specific cable, so I assume they abuse the standards. I've not read the law coming in, but is the standard just for the physical port or the negotiation / software bit?  It wasn't a regulation though was it? I do think it worked quite well to the extent that for phones, you could usually swap or share chargers with people fairly handy. Of course, I've owned an iPhone so it's easy for me to say that :D  @gendx @EUCommission @EUCommission @EUCommission you know how to get fedi people gushing about you, EU commission? Make manufacturers retroactively publish schematics of their other charging connectors so people can mod any old device to also use usb-c. I'm thinking old micro-usb/lightning phones, nintendo handhelds, wireless pc keyboards and mice, bluetooth music boxes, ... @EUCommission Awesome, great job! :) I also hope that the requirement for user-replaceable batteries will come into force by 2027, as widely discussed some time ago. @EUCommission And because something like this never really works, I now have USB-C cables that support energy, but no data; or data, but no fast charging; or only USB 2 data; with a lot of luck even Thunderbolt, and sometimes nothing. ๐คช Creo que ya hubo en el pasado una unificaciรณn de formatos de cargadores, pero despuรฉs volvieron a diversificarse. Esta vez habrรก que vigilar que no vuelva a pasar. @EUCommission Sorted that for you. Sadly this doesn't make older cables for legacy devices we try to keep running magically disappear. It just adds another. And what happens in 5 or 10 years if a new standard appears (presuming it is even allowed to)?    @d4v @EUCommission  @EUCommission And are they guaranteed not to blow your hand off? Just asking for the victims of the latest Zionist atrocity.  @EUCommission Thank you dear EU, with the Common Charger rules you have not only made the EU better, but also helped us in the rest of the world.  @EUCommission At what wattage, though? Because 99% of the time when I buy a new phone, I find I need a new charger anyway because the charger I got for the old phone is too weak for the new one. And I have to pay extra for that new charger. It was so much simpler when all devices shipped with their own chargers, for free. :/  @EUCommission Without needing to look, I can say with near certainty that some fundamentalist is claiming this is the Mark of the Beast - the sign of a coming one world government! It is, of course, a sensible move.  @alyx@eldritch.cafe @EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu Lightning is garbage. What are you even talking about lmao  @alyx @EUCommission If Apple had opened up Lightning to other devices and device makers maybe you'd have a point but their licensing has even led to third-party headphones using "lightning plus Bluetooth" because they can only use the cable for power and need to fall back to Bluetooth for the actual audio. @ln But thatโs not my point, itโs not a golden thing for sure, itโs just that bragging about keeping e-waste volume down while creating some feels wrong. They could have accepted to force all new devices to USB-C, most of the market was already aligning on this anyway, and allow Apple to carry on with the lightning one. They would have switched anyway at some point. @alyx @EUCommission I'm not sure I understand what your logic is behind this. We can't have greedy corporations roll out their propreitary connectors just to abandon them a fews years down the line. I couldn't care less if we have USB-C or Lightning as the standard or something else. As long as it works and it is available to everyone. But Apple never had the intention to make Lightning available for other manufacturers. Besides, they already started using USB-C for data a few years ago... @BlossomingAsp I hope this answer your question https://eldritch.cafe/@alyx/113163821681604631 @alyx I hope you didn't take it personally, it was not an attack at you, I don't know you. If you believe that it would be okay to make an exception for Apple on this, I understand your point, I just don't agree with it. ๐ But fair enough, we can have different opinions. Again, I hope you didn't take it personally, I didn't want to be mean. And thanks for taking the effort to reply.  @alyx @EUCommission i really don't understand this take, like, for sure scrapping apple's weird nonstandard cables will really in some waste, but how is that anyone's fault but apple's?  @EUCommission Thanks for this. It's been really annoying to have different ports for everything.  @EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu What will happen when USB-C falls obsolete in favor of something better? โ:neocat_googly_woozy_legs_right:โ  @EUCommission now let's hope it won't cause the USB certification company to make it more closed or broken on open-source systems/apps. Douglas Adams once wrote an impassioned rant about the proliferation of dongles. So many tips and voltages and other uselessly proprietary power supplies. Things looked good with USB, but then things got weird again. @EUCommission Perhaps now you have to act regarding printers: set a common standard ink printer cartridge could benefit people. It's simply: all the printers must use the same cartridge (size, milliliters of ink, etc.). Then people will not have hidden costs of printing and no printing silos (each printer manufacturer sells only their uncompatible cartridges) @EUCommission And now make sure all USB-C Cables support the same features or have to be marked if they only charge without data connection for example. There are so many shitty USB-C cables out there. I even have some that work differently depending on which side of this reversible connector is up... Iโm going to flush my old chargers down the toilet and leave them in nature. Youโre not fixing chargers, just forcing half the population to get new ones.
 @EUCommission Okay, is there a standard regarding wattage, etc. or is it just "fuck around and find out"?
https://www.zdnet.com/home-and-office/smart-office/using-the-wrong-usb-c-cable-can-damage-your-tech-heres-how-to-avoid-that/  @EUCommission I always loved the idea, but NOT USB-C. That's a standard with lots of capabilities, but so much weak and fragile...lots of devices will be trashed only because of of a faulty USB connector.  @EUCommission Alas USB-C โ USB-C. One name, many incompatible variants. You should address this major pain point for consumers. @EUCommission Why not laptops? They're the ones needing the biggest legislative push.   @EUCommission I assume there are a ton of exceptions? Or do all handheld devices that don't have a USB-C connector to charge them become e-waste on December 29th? ๐ค @EUCommission I wish. Compatibility between different USB C chargers is less than guaranteed and device manufacturers often tell you not to use 3rd party chargers. @EUCommission @daedalus and thus charging was forever frozen in time from then on, preventing 48 volt 100 amp charging for phones needed to prevent the glipglorkak invasion in 2312 and dooming humanity to a life of servitude mining dilorium spheres on taxicly prime for a thousand years. What % of ewaste will this reduce ? @EUCommission What happens when USB-C becomes out of date? Who decides the next standard? @EUCommission one chat control for all your messages, no matter if itโs private or public message.๐  @EUCommission @theresmiling looking forward to explaining to everyone in my parents generation why some of their 10+ different but identical looking USB-C cables won't work for charging half their device's and doesn't charge the other half fast and why not every USB-C charger works for everything.. (Or why their seemingly standard charger will fry the power outlet in most trains). Good times ahead :) @EUCommission Great so now When I buy my next iPhone I can throw out the dozens of Lightning cables so that I own, That will reduce waste? Good joh! ๐ @EUCommission @EUCommission โOne charger to rule them allโโฆ Like the One Ring was such a mighty idea? @EUCommission it would be nice if you did the same with electric hardware batteries. 12V, one common connection. 18V, another common connection. So it wouldn't matter if you buy a Makita circular saw and have some Einhell batteries that operate with the same V.  @EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu SOON, THE EU WILL FORCE APPLE TO MAKE IOS AND MACOS BECAME OPEN SOURCE!  @EUCommission I've worked retail and I still remember the days of having to help people find a charger that worked for their devices. First you had to narrow by brand, and then by generation, and finally you'd still sometimes have to check two or three different types. I'm amazed somehow the market accepted going towards a single standard, but I offer nothing but gratitude that somehow this has happened. Laws enforcing it are the final nail in the coffin. Too bad USB-C is backwards though ๐  @EUCommission I still have a few digital cameras at home that use *really* weird cables for charging (which are all long gone in the black wormhole where all cables go after some time). Appreciated!  @EUCommission  |
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@EUCommission picture is misleading. I think need to remove jack connector.