Gregory's Server@chrisisgr8 unless it's the human right of safe passage for asylum seekers and Global South migrants, someone the EU is happy to let die in the Mediterranean or on other militarised borders.
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@photos_floues @chrisisgr8 Ever heard of Frontex, the European Borders Agency? https://abolishfrontex.org/ @Feders_dub @chrisisgr8 @photos_floues It's not "few agents" it's the whole agency and migration policies putting desperate people more at risk. We should be funding housing and healthcare for citizens and migrants, not the military industry. @Curator @Feders_dub @chrisisgr8 On the other hand, that sort of behaviour is exactly in line with the political stances of the Italian, Hungarian or Polish governments, for instance. @photos_floues @Curator @Feders_dub @chrisisgr8 What are they, then? The EU funds Frontex. The EU runs it. It answers to the EU. The EU could, with the stroke of a pen, abolish it. What is it therefore representing, if NOT the EU's policies? @almaember @photos_floues @Curator @Feders_dub @chrisisgr8 who would abolish a border protection agency? It may need reform, and definitely should always be watched and scrutinised, but abolishing it would be ridiculous. You wouldn't just let anyone in your house, and remove the front door. There are people who meet the criteria to move to the EU, and they can. But crossing the Mediterranean, risking your life to gain illegal entry in the EU, is not the way to go about things. @julianfairfax @almaember @photos_floues @Curator @chrisisgr8 the "way to do things" for starters would be for EU countries to stop making deals with regimes people are running away from, like the Libyan one that Meloni's government, with EU Commission permission, is happy to keep supporting. We have to stop interfering when it's convenient for us then shut the door on the issues we caused. @Feders_dub @almaember @photos_floues @Curator @chrisisgr8 I don't know about that deal, but it certainly doesn't sound great, and I definitely don't like Meloni. The EU is most definitely not perfect, but I challenge you to find a country/bloc who does better. It is not an excuse, but a comparison. For all the things that need improving, there are already so many good things. Migration is probably also a bigger problem for the EU, as it's such a good place to live. @julianfairfax @photos_floues @Curator @Feders_dub @chrisisgr8 Frontex has various powers in relation to protecting the external borders of the EU, including *assisting* member states in managing/harmonizing their border controls; as for migrants entering the EU, Frontex's powers are restricted to the extent that its mission is not to grant asylum or determine individual claims for international protection. Instead, its role is to provide *operational* support to the member states (they're not activists). @photos_floues @Feders_dub @chrisisgr8 The European Union IS its Member States... The EU put in action what the Member States agrees about in the fields that are ruled at European level. Frontex is operated by the EU as they agreed to. And it's a shame. @Feders_dub @chrisisgr8 obviously migrants should be rescued when they're in danger, but it is not the EU who puts them in danger, rather themselves. No country accepts any migrant who wishes to come into it. There is a process. It takes time, it's hard, but that's for a reason; each case needs investigating. I doubt all the migrants who cross the Mediterranean are refugees. Coming to Europe for a better life is not a valid reason when you aren't in danger in your country.  Or wearing non-Christian religious clothes, preparing meat your way, having Downs' Syndrome, born statelessness, creating statelessness, living near the people you want, on and on... But yeah, other than that... Thing is, it's super easy to point out that Florida is a dangerous state targeting vulnerable people for harassment and death without venerating Europe as some bastion of human rights. |
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It is some Member-States that are responsible, not the European Union.