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@Feders_dub @chrisisgr8
It is some Member-States that are responsible, not the European Union.

5 Jul 2023 at 20:05 | Wall-to-wall | Open on mastodon.art
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@Feders_dub @chrisisgr8
Yes I have. There are problems with some of its agents. That does in no way reflect the policy of the European Union. By attacking the EU, you are singling out the most powerful progressive political entity existing today.

5 Jul 2023 at 20:16 | Open on mastodon.art
Feders

@photos_floues It's not "few agents" it's the whole agency and migration policies putting desperate people more at risk. We should be funding housing and healthcare for citizens and migrants, not the military industry.

5 Jul 2023 at 20:25 | Open on mastodon.ie
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@photos_floues @Feders_dub @chrisisgr8 Seems it *is* the whole EU though, it's their migration policy that's being taken to court front-lex.eu - it's the EU Commission's own program - euromedmonitor.org/en/article/ - being a 'powerful progressive political entity' shouldn't make them immune to scrutiny; the EU's own border agency as a whole has been called to task for violating human rights. They're responsible for what their agency and their staff does.

@photos_floues @Feders_dub @chrisisgr8 Seems it *is* the whole EU though, it's their migration policy that's being taken to court front-lex.eu - it's the EU Commission's own program - euromedmonitor.org/en/article/ - being a 'powerful progressive political entity' shouldn't make them immune to scrutiny; the EU's own border agency as a whole has been called to task for violating human...

5 Jul 2023 at 21:08 | Open on mastodon.art
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@Curator @Feders_dub @chrisisgr8
The problems with Frontex are the responsibility of the EU, but they are in no way representative of EU policies.

On the other hand, that sort of behaviour is exactly in line with the political stances of the Italian, Hungarian or Polish governments, for instance.

5 Jul 2023 at 21:15 | Open on mastodon.art
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@photos_floues @Curator @Feders_dub @chrisisgr8 What are they, then? The EU funds Frontex. The EU runs it. It answers to the EU. The EU could, with the stroke of a pen, abolish it.

What is it therefore representing, if NOT the EU's policies?

5 Jul 2023 at 21:21 | Open on polyglot.city
Julian 🇺🇦

@almaember @photos_floues @Curator @Feders_dub @chrisisgr8 who would abolish a border protection agency? It may need reform, and definitely should always be watched and scrutinised, but abolishing it would be ridiculous.

You wouldn't just let anyone in your house, and remove the front door. There are people who meet the criteria to move to the EU, and they can.

But crossing the Mediterranean, risking your life to gain illegal entry in the EU, is not the way to go about things.

5 Jul 2023 at 21:42 | Open on fosstodon.org
Feders

@julianfairfax @almaember @photos_floues @Curator @chrisisgr8 the "way to do things" for starters would be for EU countries to stop making deals with regimes people are running away from, like the Libyan one that Meloni's government, with EU Commission permission, is happy to keep supporting. We have to stop interfering when it's convenient for us then shut the door on the issues we caused.

5 Jul 2023 at 21:51 | Open on mastodon.ie
Julian 🇺🇦

@Feders_dub @almaember @photos_floues @Curator @chrisisgr8 I don't know about that deal, but it certainly doesn't sound great, and I definitely don't like Meloni.

The EU is most definitely not perfect, but I challenge you to find a country/bloc who does better. It is not an excuse, but a comparison.

For all the things that need improving, there are already so many good things. Migration is probably also a bigger problem for the EU, as it's such a good place to live.

5 Jul 2023 at 22:22 | Open on fosstodon.org
Feders replied to Julian

@julianfairfax
Unfortunately it's a deal that has been going on for years before the current government and just renewed for another 5, with EU funding by the way.
msf.org/italy-libya-agreement-

5 Jul 2023 at 22:32 | Open on mastodon.ie
daria-andrea

@photos_floues @Curator @Feders_dub @chrisisgr8 Frontex has various powers in relation to protecting the external borders of the EU, including *assisting* member states in managing/harmonizing their border controls; as for migrants entering the EU, Frontex's powers are restricted to the extent that its mission is not to grant asylum or determine individual claims for international protection. Instead, its role is to provide *operational* support to the member states (they're not activists).

5 Jul 2023 at 21:29 | Open on graphics.social
WiretteNicorette

@photos_floues @Feders_dub @chrisisgr8 The European Union IS its Member States... The EU put in action what the Member States agrees about in the fields that are ruled at European level. Frontex is operated by the EU as they agreed to. And it's a shame.
It doesn't mean we can't be progressive in other area, but this one is a shame.

5 Jul 2023 at 21:15 | Open on social.sciences.re
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