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remote procedure chris

i like how "illegal in the EU" means it probably violated a human right and "illegal in florida" means it probably is a human right

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kuna

@chrisisgr8@tech.lgbt Sorry to be a spoilsport, but in EU it's illegal to rescue drowning refugees. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pia_Klemp

kechpaja

@chrisisgr8 Depends on how the Chat Control fights goes, but close enough.

FurballsNHairballs

@chrisisgr8
It's only illegal in Florida until the Federal judge orders a stay because it so blatantly violates a constitutional right 😐

Feders

@chrisisgr8 unless it's the human right of safe passage for asylum seekers and Global South migrants, someone the EU is happy to let die in the Mediterranean or on other militarised borders.

Rama

@Feders_dub @chrisisgr8
It is some Member-States that are responsible, not the European Union.

Rama

@Feders_dub @chrisisgr8
Yes I have. There are problems with some of its agents. That does in no way reflect the policy of the European Union. By attacking the EU, you are singling out the most powerful progressive political entity existing today.

Feders

@photos_floues It's not "few agents" it's the whole agency and migration policies putting desperate people more at risk. We should be funding housing and healthcare for citizens and migrants, not the military industry.

Mastodon•ART 🎨 Curator

@photos_floues @Feders_dub @chrisisgr8 Seems it *is* the whole EU though, it's their migration policy that's being taken to court front-lex.eu - it's the EU Commission's own program - euromedmonitor.org/en/article/ - being a 'powerful progressive political entity' shouldn't make them immune to scrutiny; the EU's own border agency as a whole has been called to task for violating human rights. They're responsible for what their agency and their staff does.

@photos_floues @Feders_dub @chrisisgr8 Seems it *is* the whole EU though, it's their migration policy that's being taken to court front-lex.eu - it's the EU Commission's own program - euromedmonitor.org/en/article/ - being a 'powerful progressive political entity' shouldn't make them immune to scrutiny; the EU's own border agency as a whole has been called to task for violating human...

Rama

@Curator @Feders_dub @chrisisgr8
The problems with Frontex are the responsibility of the EU, but they are in no way representative of EU policies.

On the other hand, that sort of behaviour is exactly in line with the political stances of the Italian, Hungarian or Polish governments, for instance.

treason commitress :red_flag:

@photos_floues @Curator @Feders_dub @chrisisgr8 What are they, then? The EU funds Frontex. The EU runs it. It answers to the EU. The EU could, with the stroke of a pen, abolish it.

What is it therefore representing, if NOT the EU's policies?

Julian 🇺🇦

@almaember @photos_floues @Curator @Feders_dub @chrisisgr8 who would abolish a border protection agency? It may need reform, and definitely should always be watched and scrutinised, but abolishing it would be ridiculous.

You wouldn't just let anyone in your house, and remove the front door. There are people who meet the criteria to move to the EU, and they can.

But crossing the Mediterranean, risking your life to gain illegal entry in the EU, is not the way to go about things.

Feders

@julianfairfax @almaember @photos_floues @Curator @chrisisgr8 the "way to do things" for starters would be for EU countries to stop making deals with regimes people are running away from, like the Libyan one that Meloni's government, with EU Commission permission, is happy to keep supporting. We have to stop interfering when it's convenient for us then shut the door on the issues we caused.

Julian 🇺🇦

@Feders_dub @almaember @photos_floues @Curator @chrisisgr8 I don't know about that deal, but it certainly doesn't sound great, and I definitely don't like Meloni.

The EU is most definitely not perfect, but I challenge you to find a country/bloc who does better. It is not an excuse, but a comparison.

For all the things that need improving, there are already so many good things. Migration is probably also a bigger problem for the EU, as it's such a good place to live.

Feders replied to Julian

@julianfairfax
Unfortunately it's a deal that has been going on for years before the current government and just renewed for another 5, with EU funding by the way.
msf.org/italy-libya-agreement-

daria-andrea

@photos_floues @Curator @Feders_dub @chrisisgr8 Frontex has various powers in relation to protecting the external borders of the EU, including *assisting* member states in managing/harmonizing their border controls; as for migrants entering the EU, Frontex's powers are restricted to the extent that its mission is not to grant asylum or determine individual claims for international protection. Instead, its role is to provide *operational* support to the member states (they're not activists).

WiretteNicorette

@photos_floues @Feders_dub @chrisisgr8 The European Union IS its Member States... The EU put in action what the Member States agrees about in the fields that are ruled at European level. Frontex is operated by the EU as they agreed to. And it's a shame.
It doesn't mean we can't be progressive in other area, but this one is a shame.

Julian 🇺🇦

@Feders_dub @chrisisgr8 obviously migrants should be rescued when they're in danger, but it is not the EU who puts them in danger, rather themselves.

No country accepts any migrant who wishes to come into it. There is a process. It takes time, it's hard, but that's for a reason; each case needs investigating.

I doubt all the migrants who cross the Mediterranean are refugees. Coming to Europe for a better life is not a valid reason when you aren't in danger in your country.

LovesTha🥧

@Feders_dub @chrisisgr8 Florida isn't winning on that axis though right...

Jeremy (יעקב) 🇺🇦

@Feders_dub @chrisisgr8

Or wearing non-Christian religious clothes, preparing meat your way, having Downs' Syndrome, born statelessness, creating statelessness, living near the people you want, on and on...

But yeah, other than that...

Thing is, it's super easy to point out that Florida is a dangerous state targeting vulnerable people for harassment and death without venerating Europe as some bastion of human rights.

World Business Challenge

@chrisisgr8 yeah, is not that america is not, but there are less events that deny them, because "our history" is mainly focused in "our freedom" from the past. The problem is that, the past can have a lot of "power", when we face the future, and some persons prefer to go back, then grow up. Is a "self control" exercise, but sadly, many did learn that skill, being punished, so they believe that the same condition is to use it to others. :(

World Business Challenge

@chrisisgr8 sorry.. I answer putting away the location. Meaning.. I don't really know what you meant. I just add content to the "key words" that formulate your toot :s

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@chrisisgr8 you're giving both the EU and Florida too much credit.

Cysio :verified_gay:​

@chrisisgr8 sometimes illegal in Florida is something like “Florida Man turns himself in for murdering imaginary friend” or something

Narāmtu-Ištar :blobcatblep:

@chrisisgr8 I'm not too sure about that. EU has some of the worst censorship laws, and they're trying to ban E2EE

Gabriela Queiroz 🏳️‍⚧️ 🇧🇷

@chrisisgr8
@kaitlynethylia

A similar thing happens with "criminal speech in Brazil" vs "free speech in the USA".

Here racist or queerphobic insults and speech can land you in jail. Plus you can get hefty fines for promoting discrimination.

Tsimagain

@chrisisgr8 “It’sthe Florida way” reminds me of “Normal for Norfolk”.

Njord

@chrisisgr8 Yeah. My family were originally going to move to Florida. We ended up moving to the EU instead, pretty much for that reason

Svenskagen64.exe :blobhaj_flag_transgender: :trans_furr_white:

@chrisisgr8 maybe this is how you get hired

shitpost these gold nuggets and the right person will say "i want that fucknut on my team"

remote procedure chris

@solarmerps hot fuck i turned off notifications a while ago, this bitch is getting around

Dwight Williams (💉 x6) + 😷

@chrisisgr8 As others have noted with pointed examples, that's not entirely true. At least not right now.

Hopefully, we can get both jurisdictions to the point where "illegal" = violates human right(s). If we're careful, lucky and brave enough...it might even happen in our lifetimes.

Rusty Ralston

@chrisisgr8 so, this is how I learn that the EU bans saving drowning migrants

Diesel

@chrisisgr8
I wish it was as simple as that.

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