Gregory's Server@photos_floues @Feders_dub @chrisisgr8 Seems it *is* the whole EU though, it's their migration policy that's being taken to court https://www.front-lex.eu - it's the EU Commission's own program - https://www.euromedmonitor.org/en/article/5285/EU-Commission%E2%80%99s-intrusive-migrant-surveillance-program-is-unlawful,-dangerous - being a 'powerful progressive political entity' shouldn't make them immune to scrutiny; the EU's own border agency as a whole has been called to task for violating human rights. They're responsible for what their agency and their staff does.
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@photos_floues @Curator @Feders_dub @chrisisgr8 What are they, then? The EU funds Frontex. The EU runs it. It answers to the EU. The EU could, with the stroke of a pen, abolish it. What is it therefore representing, if NOT the EU's policies? @almaember @photos_floues @Curator @Feders_dub @chrisisgr8 who would abolish a border protection agency? It may need reform, and definitely should always be watched and scrutinised, but abolishing it would be ridiculous. You wouldn't just let anyone in your house, and remove the front door. There are people who meet the criteria to move to the EU, and they can. But crossing the Mediterranean, risking your life to gain illegal entry in the EU, is not the way to go about things. @julianfairfax @almaember @photos_floues @Curator @chrisisgr8 the "way to do things" for starters would be for EU countries to stop making deals with regimes people are running away from, like the Libyan one that Meloni's government, with EU Commission permission, is happy to keep supporting. We have to stop interfering when it's convenient for us then shut the door on the issues we caused. @Feders_dub @almaember @photos_floues @Curator @chrisisgr8 I don't know about that deal, but it certainly doesn't sound great, and I definitely don't like Meloni. The EU is most definitely not perfect, but I challenge you to find a country/bloc who does better. It is not an excuse, but a comparison. For all the things that need improving, there are already so many good things. Migration is probably also a bigger problem for the EU, as it's such a good place to live. @julianfairfax @photos_floues @Curator @Feders_dub @chrisisgr8 Frontex has various powers in relation to protecting the external borders of the EU, including *assisting* member states in managing/harmonizing their border controls; as for migrants entering the EU, Frontex's powers are restricted to the extent that its mission is not to grant asylum or determine individual claims for international protection. Instead, its role is to provide *operational* support to the member states (they're not activists). |
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The problems with Frontex are the responsibility of the EU, but they are in no way representative of EU policies.
On the other hand, that sort of behaviour is exactly in line with the political stances of the Italian, Hungarian or Polish governments, for instance.