Gregory's ServerHonestly, if you’re in the US, please vote. Don’t let a fascist take control. Don’t think that it can’t possibly happen there. This might be your last chance to vote. Don’t waste it. Sitting it out won’t help your cause but it will definitely endanger a lot of lives. That’s my take on it.
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@Gargron Whether it's Trump or Harris, a fascist is going to win the U.S. presidential election. Those of us opposed to fascism can vote for Jill Stein. Even though it's clear she's not going to win, we have the opportunity to build an anti-fascist alternative in American politics.  @gwm Come on. It's 2024. At this point you need to be able bring yourself to admit that Jill Stein is Putin's puppet. She is supported by one of the biggest fascists in power today. It would be lovely to have a viable green party in the US. But *you don't have that*. You have a Russian op. Jill Stein is not what you want. Harris is far from perfect, but is also nowhere near is a fascist. Trump and Jill Stein, however, literally are. @WAHa_06x36 I have seen no credible evidence that Jill Stein is in any sense "Putin's puppet." As for Kamala Harris being a fascist, she's in the pocket of moneyed interests and supports a militaristic foreign policy, including full throated support for Israel's ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people. @gwm @WAHa_06x36 There's a lot of space between "intermittently beholden to some corporate interests" and "we won't have elections anymore and will violently round up our political adversaries." Neither is ideal but one is clearly better. @baconandcoconut @WAHa_06x36 For me, support for genocide is a red line I am unwilling to cross. @gwm @baconandcoconut Understood, and it sucks that you do not get a good choice on that, but, that's it: You don't get a good choice on that. Trump is *much worse* on that than Harris, and a vote for Jill Stein helps only Trump. @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut My vote for Jill Stein will not help Donald Trump in any way. @gwm @baconandcoconut I struggle to believe you are actually so naïve that you believe this. @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut A vote for Jill Stein does not add to any other candidate's vote tally. @WAHa_06x36 @gwm @baconandcoconut if you look at his profile... I mean he likely is that stupid. And quite conservative. @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut You seem to believe that I had an ethical duty to vote for Kamala Harris. That was never going to happen. She disqualified herself by supporting genocide. @gwm I don't think you had a "duty" to do anything. I think you wanted to do something - prevent genocide - and you made a choice that ended up hurting that goal. That has nothing to do with "duty", and everything to do with how things work in practice. @WAHa_06x36 I don't see how voting for a candidate who supports a genocide will help to end it. @gwm Because that one candidate can have her mind changed, and the other can not, and risks ending democracy as a whole. @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut considering both Putin and Netanyahu are gambling on a Trump victory, it's fair to say a vote for Trump is a vote for genocide. Sometimes you need to hold your nose and vote strategically, not because you think Harris will be bad, but because electing Trump would be catastrophic. That is the eventuality to prevent. @gwm @WAHa_06x36 American activists will not be able to continue advocating for an end to the atrocities in Palestine under a US dictatorship. The power to stop US support won't be about public opinion, it will be about the whim of one angry, all-powerful person who is willing to put activists in jail whenever he feels like it. @baconandcoconut @gwm @WAHa_06x36 counterpoint, they won't need to. If Trump wins there will be no Palestinians left to support. @gwm Look, there is literally a photo of her sitting down for dinner with him. If that is not enough for you I can not help you: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/guess-who-came-dinner-flynn-putin-n742696 @WAHa_06x36 Jill Stein attended a media event in Moscow in 2015. She was a speaker there and attended at her own expense. Vladimir Putin sat at her table for about fifteen minutes and pleasantries were exchanged. It takes strongly motivated reasoning to leap from this to the conclusion that Jill Stein is a "Russian asset." @gwm How many "media events" did Harris attend with Putin? And that is far from the only reason, it is just the most blatantly visible one. Did you look at who else attended? As for other reason, there are many: https://www.thirdway.org/memo/jill-stein-a-russian-asset-and-a-hypocrite  @Gargron@mastodon.social @gwm@mastodon.social These people should really read some political strategy... Preventing a fascist bigot from being president (again) is much more important than voting for someone who is guaranteed to not win. Learn to compromise. @gwm@mastodon.social @Gargron@mastodon.social Wasting your vote on russian asset Jill Stein.  @gwm every vote that is not going to Harris and instead to a third party with no chance of winning will indirectly go to Trump. By not voting for Harris you're voting for Trump.  @gwm Opposing fascism by voting against the antifascist coalition with a throwaway candidate that's not even on the ballot in most states is not being antifascist.   @realdanny@mastodon.online Trump, or if you'd consider the Green Party on the ballot as well somehow, Jill Stein. Then again, you're a crypto enthusiast living in the UAE as a 'digital nomad', so you're likely a right-wing libertarian with your head up some other libertarian's ass, and refuse to see the real world. Have fun up there! @realdanny@mastodon.online @Gargron@mastodon.social Both of them tbh, but especially Trump.  @realdanny hey, honest question, is your profile part of a lab experiment attempting to distill pure cringe?
I think they may have finally done it. @Gargron Man, stating one's opposition to fascism sure does bring out some stellar reply guys, huh? @Gargron Indeed. Voted early for Harris-Walz. And stretching the meaning of the word #fascist to claim that both candidates are fascist doesn't change the reality. The USA has always had fascistic elements. But only #Trump will set up an overt fascist dictatorship. And if he wins, any and ALL approaches to making a better world will become 1000 times harder. I cast Green Party protest votes in 2016 and 2020, when Trump would not have been able to realize his fascist dream. Not this time.  @Gargron     @Gargron Harris supports genocide, but so is Germany. The world is getting back to where we were in the 1920-30s. It's sad.  @Gargron  @Gargron Even if you take the replies at face value, too many people seem to think the POTUS is a ceremonial position, and so voting or not on principle without regard to the actual outcome is a meaningful thing. Results matter. They have consequences. A vote which increases the chances of Trump winning ONLY means a higher chance of Trump winning.  @Gargron @Gargron Calling your opponents fascist is puerile, and may well deter people from voting for your candidate. Are you trying to get Trump over the line?  @Gargron Thank you, and you are correct. If he wrests power again American democracy is over. No hyperbole.  @Gargron I plan on voting, and am doing all in my power to prevent American Hitler from taking Power @Gargron seems a good a place as any to post this. Feel free to share it with your #fascist friends. It always sounds great, until they come for you. @Gargron tRump and his campaign manager Paul Manafort colluded with Russia in 2016; in 2020 he colludes with Rudy Colludy, and now he is colluding with broligarch Elon Musk!  @Gargron Thank you for this important reminder, Eugen. Many of us can feel the weight of this election and the consequences it may bring. Every vote is a chance to protect the values we hold dear and to support leaders who respect democracy and human rights. Sitting out isn’t an option when so much is at stake—not just for us, but for future generations. Let’s all show up, stay engaged, and make sure our voices count. Thank you for using your platform to encourage participation!  Meanwhile, can you make a way to have a filter that can take out 'US' without filtering the word 'us'? I'm european and am pretty annoyed by the huge overload of usual 'merica!!' crying posts on my timeline about 'harris yeaaayy' and 'trump booo' and what not. There's tons of european posts which I'd like to see since I'm in EUROPE. 28 countries FFS with thousands of updates, and all I see is 'merica!!!' As if it's not a SETTING. Get it fixed please, thanks.  @Gargron I agree. From #Detroit-based #Socialist journal #AgainstTheCurrent: "Socialists should support the #HarrisWalz ticket, not because they represent a significant progressive alternative, but because it gives us four more years in our democracy — such as it is — to organize social and political movements to fight for the working class and the oppressed and raise the ideal of democratic socialism." #USPol #Harris2024 #Politics #Vote2024 https://againstthecurrent.org/atc232/why-socialists-must-defeat-trump/ Also, if you simply cannot vote for a woman, or a Democrat, just sit this one out. And also, do better. Think of your nation over you bias.  Thanks @Gargron! Even if you're not based in the US, if you're an American citizen you can vote from whatever country you're currently living in. Many states are still accepting new registrations, but hurry - there's no time to lose. Please go to https://votefromabroad.org, register and request a ballot right away! This is not a drill! @Gargron Your take is 100% correct...which is why I wrote this parody of DJT set to American Psycho... feel free to share.  Clear and present danger… When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time. Vote as if you life and future depends on it, because it does…  @Gargron    @Gargron Please vote for Harris. Don't let this Donald clown ruin your country https://imgur.com/gallery/donald-trump-is-fucking-nazi-RqtFuwB  Unfortunately, we see the effects of not wanting to see here in Germany again But I also see resistance and this is important, I also see it in the USA. Voting is important Voting wisely even more so thanks for mastodon Fedi Mercury approved this message @Gargron |
@Gargron Voted for Harris/Walz!