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 @gwm Come on. It's 2024. At this point you need to be able bring yourself to admit that Jill Stein is Putin's puppet. She is supported by one of the biggest fascists in power today. It would be lovely to have a viable green party in the US. But *you don't have that*. You have a Russian op. Jill Stein is not what you want. Harris is far from perfect, but is also nowhere near is a fascist. Trump and Jill Stein, however, literally are. 24 comments
@gwm @WAHa_06x36 There's a lot of space between "intermittently beholden to some corporate interests" and "we won't have elections anymore and will violently round up our political adversaries." Neither is ideal but one is clearly better. @baconandcoconut @WAHa_06x36 For me, support for genocide is a red line I am unwilling to cross. @gwm @baconandcoconut Understood, and it sucks that you do not get a good choice on that, but, that's it: You don't get a good choice on that. Trump is *much worse* on that than Harris, and a vote for Jill Stein helps only Trump. @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut My vote for Jill Stein will not help Donald Trump in any way. @gwm @baconandcoconut I struggle to believe you are actually so naïve that you believe this. @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut A vote for Jill Stein does not add to any other candidate's vote tally. @WAHa_06x36 @gwm @baconandcoconut if you look at his profile... I mean he likely is that stupid. And quite conservative. @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut You seem to believe that I had an ethical duty to vote for Kamala Harris. That was never going to happen. She disqualified herself by supporting genocide. @gwm I don't think you had a "duty" to do anything. I think you wanted to do something - prevent genocide - and you made a choice that ended up hurting that goal. That has nothing to do with "duty", and everything to do with how things work in practice. @WAHa_06x36 I don't see how voting for a candidate who supports a genocide will help to end it. @gwm Because that one candidate can have her mind changed, and the other can not, and risks ending democracy as a whole. @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut considering both Putin and Netanyahu are gambling on a Trump victory, it's fair to say a vote for Trump is a vote for genocide. Sometimes you need to hold your nose and vote strategically, not because you think Harris will be bad, but because electing Trump would be catastrophic. That is the eventuality to prevent. @gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut The absolute vote tally—which you refer to, Mr. Maschke—is irrelevant in our system. The relative vote tally determines the winner, not the absolute vote tally. So that's the flaw in your logic. Please let me know if you have any further questions. @gwm Your vote for Jill Stein elects Donald Trump. You're trolling people with how bad this is. @gwm @WAHa_06x36 American activists will not be able to continue advocating for an end to the atrocities in Palestine under a US dictatorship. The power to stop US support won't be about public opinion, it will be about the whim of one angry, all-powerful person who is willing to put activists in jail whenever he feels like it. @baconandcoconut @gwm @WAHa_06x36 counterpoint, they won't need to. If Trump wins there will be no Palestinians left to support. @gwm You support war crimes in Ukraine as Jill Stein supports the Russian invasion. Period. @gwm Look, there is literally a photo of her sitting down for dinner with him. If that is not enough for you I can not help you: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/guess-who-came-dinner-flynn-putin-n742696 @WAHa_06x36 Jill Stein attended a media event in Moscow in 2015. She was a speaker there and attended at her own expense. Vladimir Putin sat at her table for about fifteen minutes and pleasantries were exchanged. It takes strongly motivated reasoning to leap from this to the conclusion that Jill Stein is a "Russian asset." @gwm How many "media events" did Harris attend with Putin? And that is far from the only reason, it is just the most blatantly visible one. Did you look at who else attended? As for other reason, there are many: https://www.thirdway.org/memo/jill-stein-a-russian-asset-and-a-hypocrite |
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@WAHa_06x36 I have seen no credible evidence that Jill Stein is in any sense "Putin's puppet."
As for Kamala Harris being a fascist, she's in the pocket of moneyed interests and supports a militaristic foreign policy, including full throated support for Israel's ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people.