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baconandcoconut

@gwm @WAHa_06x36 There's a lot of space between "intermittently beholden to some corporate interests" and "we won't have elections anymore and will violently round up our political adversaries." Neither is ideal but one is clearly better.

29 October at 13:40 | Wall-to-wall | Open on freeradical.zone
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George Maschke

@baconandcoconut @WAHa_06x36 For me, support for genocide is a red line I am unwilling to cross.

29 October at 13:46 | Open on mastodon.social
Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎

@gwm @baconandcoconut Understood, and it sucks that you do not get a good choice on that, but, that's it: You don't get a good choice on that.

Trump is *much worse* on that than Harris, and a vote for Jill Stein helps only Trump.

29 October at 13:48 | Open on mastodon.social
George Maschke

@WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut My vote for Jill Stein will not help Donald Trump in any way.

29 October at 13:54 | Open on mastodon.social
Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎

@gwm @baconandcoconut I struggle to believe you are actually so naïve that you believe this.

29 October at 13:56 | Open on mastodon.social
George Maschke

@WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut A vote for Jill Stein does not add to any other candidate's vote tally.

29 October at 13:59 | Open on mastodon.social
Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎
DELETED replied to Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎

@WAHa_06x36 @gwm @baconandcoconut if you look at his profile... I mean he likely is that stupid.

And quite conservative.

29 October at 14:08 | Open on hachyderm.io
George Maschke replied to Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎

@WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut You seem to believe that I had an ethical duty to vote for Kamala Harris. That was never going to happen. She disqualified herself by supporting genocide.

29 October at 14:21 | Open on mastodon.social
Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎ replied to George

@gwm I don't think you had a "duty" to do anything. I think you wanted to do something - prevent genocide - and you made a choice that ended up hurting that goal. That has nothing to do with "duty", and everything to do with how things work in practice.

29 October at 14:30 | Open on mastodon.social
George Maschke replied to Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎

@WAHa_06x36 I don't see how voting for a candidate who supports a genocide will help to end it.

29 October at 14:32 | Open on mastodon.social
Dag Ågren ↙︎↙︎↙︎ replied to George

@gwm Because that one candidate can have her mind changed, and the other can not, and risks ending democracy as a whole.

29 October at 14:55 | Open on mastodon.social
Brian Stafford replied to George

@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut considering both Putin and Netanyahu are gambling on a Trump victory, it's fair to say a vote for Trump is a vote for genocide. Sometimes you need to hold your nose and vote strategically, not because you think Harris will be bad, but because electing Trump would be catastrophic. That is the eventuality to prevent.

29 October at 14:32 | Open on mastodon.ie
DELETED

@gwm that's not how any of this works.

No single person alive has done more to thwart climate action than Jill "Princess of Grift" Stein
29 October at 14:08 | Open on hachyderm.io
Mindsets

@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut

The absolute vote tally—which you refer to, Mr. Maschke—is irrelevant in our system. The relative vote tally determines the winner, not the absolute vote tally.

So that's the flaw in your logic. Please let me know if you have any further questions.

29 October at 15:19 | Open on mindly.social
NosirrahSec 🏴‍☠️

@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut This is observably, demonstrably, incorrect in every context minus ONE. (the only one you're choosing to recognize)

You aren't CHOOSING to help Donald Trump, but your choice does help him when you take into account every other variable that is both obvious and historically repeated and documented.

Splitting the vote in close races is the same as, or worse, as supporting the worse option. This is a literal thing used and abused for decades now.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoiler_

This is not new. You are not going to disprove it by simply stamping your feet and crying like a petulant child.

Voting against Harris, as detestable as you believe it to be, is voting for Trump in effect. The degree of that effect varies depending on what state you are in.

Voting for Jill Stein, who has 0% chance of winning the election, is a vote for Trump by proxy.

@gwm @WAHa_06x36 @baconandcoconut This is observably, demonstrably, incorrect in every context minus ONE. (the only one you're choosing to recognize)

You aren't CHOOSING to help Donald Trump, but your choice does help him when you take into account every other variable that is both obvious and historically repeated and documented.

29 October at 14:20 | Open on infosec.exchange
Joe Foster

@gwm Your vote for Jill Stein elects Donald Trump. You're trolling people with how bad this is.

29 October at 14:57 | Open on beige.party
baconandcoconut

@gwm @WAHa_06x36 American activists will not be able to continue advocating for an end to the atrocities in Palestine under a US dictatorship. The power to stop US support won't be about public opinion, it will be about the whim of one angry, all-powerful person who is willing to put activists in jail whenever he feels like it.

29 October at 13:54 | Open on freeradical.zone
DELETED

@baconandcoconut @gwm @WAHa_06x36 counterpoint, they won't need to. If Trump wins there will be no Palestinians left to support.

29 October at 14:10 | Open on hachyderm.io
Joe Foster

@gwm You support war crimes in Ukraine as Jill Stein supports the Russian invasion. Period.

29 October at 14:58 | Open on beige.party
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