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Critical Cupcake

70 years old, but as relevant as ever. 😞

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Christian

@CriticalCupcake Order:

- Healthcare
- Education
- Science
- War (Defense)
- Arts.

No Health, nothin else matters.
No Education, No science down the road.
No science, nothing matter.
No defensive capabilites, russia.
Arts, meh.

eyrea

@chris @CriticalCupcake No arts, no cartoon.

No arts, no explaining the rest.

No arts, none of the metaphorical reasoning required for scientific and especially medical advances.

Instead, you get the simplistic, immediate-results thinking that results in "arts, meh".

There is nothing shameful or time-wasting about a well-rounded education.

Christian

@eyrea @CriticalCupcake

I can't live without proper Healthcare.
I can't live or get a good job without education.
I can't work without the fruits of Science.
Without People protecting me I would probably be dead.

I live without arts just fine.
My house is also heated by science. Not arts.

eyrea

@chris @CriticalCupcake Everything you just mentioned was also brought to you by the arts. We categorize them to make them manageable, but they're all interconnected.

It's the same thing as if someone tried to claim medicine was possible without science, just because some medical methods were discovered before modern science.

That you're not even understanding this shows how much you need the arts.

Christian

@eyrea @CriticalCupcake Saying "Physics is arts" shows how desperatly art people are trying to say "People need us!".

I am sure Isaac Newton had a lot of help from modern expressionist dancers while he discovered the Newton Laws.

eyrea

@chris @CriticalCupcake Well, here's some terms you might understand: if you really do live your life without the arts as you claim, you most likely have given yourself brain damage: inc.com/jessica-stillman/readi

Christian

@eyrea @CriticalCupcake Just because the base work of science and arts might overlap does not mean art was there. Or needed. Sorry.

Yakyu Night Owl

@chris @eyrea @CriticalCupcake Admitting you and your people made no cultural contributions at all is very brave.

Here's Leonardo Da Vinci with an illustration (from 1480 or so) that clearly shows the potential lift created by a helicopter design. He also built models.

Leo was known to dabble in illustration and painting too. There is no science without the arts. It's not a debate.

Music is mathematics in a way that mathematics couldn't even dream about all by itself.

David Bruchmann

@chris @eyrea @CriticalCupcake
By discussing about art, you prove yourself wrong, I think.

Artemis

@chris
@eyrea @CriticalCupcake

Do you watch TV shows? Movies? Listen to music? Read books (fiction OR non)? Wear clothes?

millennial falcon

@chris
I like that you put these in a list. that is indeed one configuration, but the priority order changes. in a more prosperous global state for example the order would be more like art, education, science, healthcare, defense.

I see the necessity of each category as even wider than you've proposed.

no education: social regression.
no science: no capability improvements to other categories.
no arts: no quality of life.
no healthcare: no quantity of life.
no defense: risk to life.

@chris
I like that you put these in a list. that is indeed one configuration, but the priority order changes. in a more prosperous global state for example the order would be more like art, education, science, healthcare, defense.

I see the necessity of each category as even wider than you've proposed.

millennial falcon

@chris oh I saw your wilful ignorance responses to the person correcting you. I thought you were for real sorry Chris, my bad 😂😂

Richard Webb

@CriticalCupcake What happens next is they move Sciences next to War, feed them as well, but Sciences finishes cooking and adds seasoning before passing the food to War's table.

Dr. Heather Etchevers

@Fasgadh @CriticalCupcake It's not for nothing that Sciences look skeletal. Relative abundance under starvation circumstances tends to pit those fighting for scraps in artificial scarcity against each other, when it's more effective to band together in the knowledge sector to resist the forces creating that artifice to their benefit. Sciences need humanities and vice-versa.

Ciarán McNally

@CriticalCupcake The only thing missing from the image is the war journalists crawling around beneath the table picking up the crumbs and looking for a pat on the head from the war machine for doing their part.

RandyNose :debian: 🐱

@CriticalCupcake

The tools and technologies may change a bit, but humans have not.

Even if we colonize another planet we're still going to be bringing humanity along and all of its baggage.

@breadandcircuses

wlf_warren

@CriticalCupcake yeah 🤔🤔😒😒it is profitable for the rich, most children of affluence never have to get their hands bloody!
Why they will NEVER understand, there is NOTHING good about WAR! 😭😭😭☹️🙏

usuario end

@CriticalCupcake
I heard the united states the only good thing is the technology of defense, the other things is bad and deficient, can a american explain this is correct or bad?

Helen Graham

@CriticalCupcake Normally I entirely agree but at the moment for countries like the UK and to some extent the US the defence budget is funding providng arms and equipment to Ukraine without which it will cease to exist and we will see more massacres .Not only that but Russia will be knocking on Europes door and own a number of nuclear power stations all capable of causing a far worse disaster than Chenobyl ,which would devestate europes food and water supply

Garrett Latimer

@Helengraham @CriticalCupcake Plus we have to make an example out of irredentist movements, otherwise things will get a lot worse in a hurry.

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@JohnLoader6 @CriticalCupcake
respectfully, I hate this talking point

science thrives under high levels of funding and competition

you do not require a war for that

even if you did, if you consider scientific progress worth the slaughter of innocent lives then you are no ally of mine

and if you think progress in an arms race that will eventually annihilate us all is any type of progression for humanity and not a regression then

I have no time for a fragile masculinity that looks with reverence to killing machines and weapons for war

@JohnLoader6 @CriticalCupcake
respectfully, I hate this talking point

science thrives under high levels of funding and competition

you do not require a war for that

even if you did, if you consider scientific progress worth the slaughter of innocent lives then you are no ally of mine

and if you think progress in an arms race that will eventually annihilate us all is any type of progression for humanity and not a regression then

Ban El Al from our skies

@normjess @CriticalCupcake in war there is often no competition but allocated work. Radar, aircraft design including jets, rockets, your microwave, all had increased speed of development. It isn’t a good thing just a fact.

Ban El Al from our skies

@normjess @CriticalCupcake I have the 1923 Encyclopedia Brittanica which is the 1911 version with several new volumes of updates. Obviously armament changes feature but aviation and vehicles show the massive changes.

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@JohnLoader6 if I sat here listing every invention that was in no way a result of war I'd be here forever

the products of the World Wars seem grand right now because we live in their immediate aftermath!

the people who actually fought in them would be disgusted at how subsequent generations glorify a time where they had to live under the constant threat of destruction!

its human instinct to invent, and that's been harnessed in the modern day by markets and the state so it can be the first on the moon or have the best educated citizens

who knows how many inventions you'd have if so many citizens weren't constrained by finances

war is not the optimal method for scientific advancement

anyone who thinks so lacks imagination, empathy for human suffering, or the ability to understand humanity in larger contexts rather than just nostalgia for the HIGH COST products of recent history

its the method favoured by the resurgence of far right lunatics and those who want to escalate the arms race to destruction

@JohnLoader6 if I sat here listing every invention that was in no way a result of war I'd be here forever

the products of the World Wars seem grand right now because we live in their immediate aftermath!

the people who actually fought in them would be disgusted at how subsequent generations glorify a time where they had to live under the constant threat of destruction!

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@JohnLoader6 @CriticalCupcake
I realize your point is merely that it happens, but science thrives under a lot of circumstances

even if it were the optimal one, use one where there's no bodies

Antacon

@CriticalCupcake it'll take a worldwide pivot to neglect the war table. If only some countries do it I believe the rest will stay put and bully the others into submission. The Russian war on Ukraine is a good example of this, as others stated.

There are historical failures that are promising change, though. The Vietnam War outcome must have grounded the USA in some fashion, as did McCarthyism consequences, and the (current?) war on drugs.

OddOpinions5

@CriticalCupcake

actually for the US fed gov't things lke social security mediare etc are ~50% of spending, depending if you put soc security off budget (pre LBJ) or on bidget (LBJ did this iirc to hide cost of Vietnam war)

OddOpinions5

@CriticalCupcake

This cartoon is wrong, in the sense that 2+2 = 3 is wrong
at least as far as healthcare and old age pension spending is concerned

but don't take my word for it: here is the Brookings, a centrist/liberal group

taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-b

Jacob Urlich
@CriticalCupcake It must be TRADE- NOT WAR. War is a side effect of the trade.
Júlio Gardona

@CriticalCupcake war always was, and ever will be part of human nature. No one takes a dumb decision to make a war. It involves huge interests, of predominant powers, and the rising ones. As USA is loosing soft power, the new powers will appear to challenge the old ones. Was and will ever be.

Júlio Gardona

@CriticalCupcake people who don't understand needs to read Maquiavel and about Cesar Borgia, to better understand what happens when some things are ignored.

m0xEE

@CriticalCupcake
> Soviet Union consistently spent a greater share of its GDP on its military than did the United States does slightly take away from the message

Isn't it exactly what makes it funny? The hypocrisy: how USSR always pretended to be for peace, but had always been preparing for war — in the end it never got invaded, but got buried under the rubble of its inefficient economy. And while it itself is long gone, the tanks made in the Soviet Union are on the battlefield today.

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@CriticalCupcake Well, until the Baucus committee got involved in the Affordable Care Act, so Medicare is now more expensive than the Defense Department. Thanks, Obama!
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