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@jgilbert It's not like Meta just handed them over, they were served a warrant. True, and ... * Facebook could have fought the warrant. (To be fair, I'm not sure how many companies do this, nor how effective it is.) * people should maybe not trust friends (they told the police she took some pills) * Facebook could be using end-to-end encryption on DMs (or everywhere) so as to not be able to hand over any data. * FB could tell everyone "your DMS are not secure!!" a lot. @chris_spackman @DarcMoughty @jgilbert Not like they don't have the tech for E2E encryption, you can enable it, it's just that they make it purposefully clunky and off by default because they make their money off of selling your data :p  @chris_spackman: That's some nihilist shit there. What? Teenagers talking to their friends are not at fault here. Teenage friends making bad decisions should not be blamed for being teenagers. Even Facebook, devils that they are, cannot be blamed for complying with a legal order. The fault here lies 100% with the law, the scum politicians that passed it, and the bastard police that made the decision to enforce it. I meant the friends thing somewhat sarcastically as a way of showing that there was more context than just the search warrant. It's not like police said "give us any DMs where people talk about abortion." They had a specific target because others talked to the police (and as you say, the crap law.) As for forgiving teenagers, that is for the girl and her mom. I'm not a psychologist, but I won't be surprised if the young lady has some trust issues in the future. Oh bullshit. Some companies fight this crap. Some companies warn about it rather than pretending it's protected. Some local governments don't go after a minor's information without a great deal more to go on. Some local governments allow women to have rights This is crap, your excuse is crap and Facebook is crap  @DarcMoughty @jhall251 @jgilbert Thanks for saying this. I see this story pushed as if Meta just randomly decided to handover information to the authorities. Then there’s people on their high horses as if admins wouldn’t hand over their data quickly to the law @DarcMoughty @jgilbert  @DarcMoughty @jgilbert Unjust warrants have been a thing for as long as we have courts, as is the practice of not keeping around written records you don't want to end up in the hands of the police. Everyone is responsible for making sure that they don't end up getting a teen into jail for an abortion. The easiest ways to do that are to either clearly inform people about the danger, or to encrypt everything and not store what you can't encrypt. Facebook did neither, and became a trap. @DarcMoughty @jgilbert Wikipedia at the moment is appealing in Portugal a court ruling to disclose private data of one the writers of the Portuguese Wikipedia. @DutchCheryl @jgilbert In that case, the stakes are much lower and it's an individual's lawyers that want the data, not government prosecutors. It's quite different. There's no way Meta would stand a chance in court in the case we're talking about.  @DarcMoughty @jgilbert look Apple can eat my whole ass but they famously tell the federal government to suck their dick every time they want a terrorist's iPhone unlocked, so it's definitely in Meta's power to value their customer's privacy. @DarcMoughty @jgilbert dang right they do. If it's on the cloud the FBI has seen it. Like I said, Apple can eat my whole ass. But you know they can unlock phones. The only reason they don't is because they don't want that information public. Facebook could do the same thing and claim DMs are encrypted and unable to be read. We all know it's bullshit, but they'd gain public support so the police couldn't push them on it. @Beeks @jgilbert I have a less cynical view. Meta offers a free product that has the end-to-end encryption that Facebook should, but setting it up is a bit harder, so it's not the default for their mainline product. I'm not upset at Meta on this; if you wanna do crimes, regardless of whether they ought not be crimes where you live, WhatsApp is right there. @jgilbert a "felony charge of concealing or abandoning a dead body" what in the absurd fuck  Unmoderated platforms are insanity. For profit unmoderated platforms are plutonium. From Musk’s destruction of moderation bleeding into sloppy journalism to Facebook’s hand in genocide. These platforms are civilizational suicide. Many of my friends when confronted with this: "But I still will move there because I can afford a house there! I do not care their abortion bans, book bans, anti lgbtiq, ... as I am not affected but I need a house to survive at retirement age" Some of us move to add liberal votes to possibly turn things around rather than staying safe where we are. @deirdrebeth @jgilbert Not with the gerrymandering. And no they don't move there to change things. They move there for HOUSE and LOW TAXES and are ok to throw everything for this under the bus. At least in my acquaintances bubble. @toor NE property taxes are not exactly considered “low,” unfortunately for your friend. (But hey, maybe they can buy my house so I can move to MN?)  @jgilbert while of course horrific, is it not more "the law required facebook to give..." ? @patrick_h_lauke @jgilbert that only works if Facebook can read her DMs in the first place, which is a choice they’ve made. @anderseknert @jgilbert point is: blame the legislation, don't single out facebook as if they're acting out of anything other than being legally required to do so... @patrick_h_lauke @jgilbert No one's singled out here — something Facebook did was the topic of the post, which is why the discussion is likely to revolve around them. It is perfectly OK to blame both them and legislation. They might not have a choice to change legislation, but they do have a choice to make this type of request possible in the first place. @anderseknert @patrick_h_lauke @jgilbert 1. Tell the locality, Nebraska in this case, we will not allow users in this state And so much more. @anderseknert @patrick_h_lauke @jgilbert Absolutely! There used to be groups fighting for this. I want to say Fight For The Future. I lost my contact for them though Here they are @anderseknert @patrick_h_lauke @jgilbert Here's a great poster for sale! https://shop.fightforthefuture.org/products/defender-abortion-poster @patrick_h_lauke @jgilbert Facebook had repeatedly chosen to profit from user data rather than protect them - or else they would be using end to end encryption.  @patrick_h_lauke @jgilbert The law required Facebook to do something abhorrent. Facebook did it. *Facebook* did it. We have a pretty good idea of how decisions are made there. They knew this would look bad for them publicly. But they figured the damage would be less than not complying. They ran the numbers and decided it would cost them more to fight the warrant than it would in lost users. Let's prove them wrong.  @jgilbert And for this, Zuckerberg can roast in Hell. As well as for all the ads for tac gear and body armor on the site...  This isnt "hate facebook more" this is: Tech bros are ALL giving police transcripts of everything said in front of a phone, smart speaker, smart tv, facebook, xitter. Everything said in front of Alexa and Siri is transcribed and stored, searchable for offenses. Alexa transcripts have been used to jail a mother and daughter talking about womens health AT HOME. All your devices are controlled tech bros. All are cooperating with police. Doorbell video camera are watched live. @kevinrns @jgilbert It’s worth pointing out the Supreme Court has created a 3rd party exception to the 4th amendment. If you give information to a 3rd party - be it a bank, a teleco, Facebook, or an app that tracks cycles - a warrant isn’t required to search that information, at least as far as the US Constitution is concerned. Ediiting out nonsense. 1. It agrees completely with my point that your ASUMED PRIVACY in front a toy a tech Bro sold IS GONE. Nothing you say in front of Alexa or your phone is safe, ypur privacy will be stolen, you WILL be sold out to republican courts. Your daughter is being watched by creeps in glass towers, her words transcribed, her freedom threatened, by her phone. Some GOP loons are talking about abortion murder charges @kevinrns The only point is that there’s no constitutional protection. People tend to think of their phone as their private sphere, but data transmitted to tech bros doesn’t enjoy an expectation of privacy from the Court. (Unless it’s encrypted from your device and the tech co has no back door.) Yes thanks. I am concerned that, like tixtter users thinking they are still on social media, and not being used to hide a weapon, device users DO NOT KNOW they are having their privacy stolen by their devices. It can be, and has, been used to arrest women talking about healthcare in their own home alone. Maybe a cardboard police officer needs to put on display with just this message across the chest, for dorms? Places were privacy might be appreciated. The ACLU might help. Hmmm maybe there is needed a 1st and 4th ammendment version of smart devices. Ha. That would change tech. A mandated requirement to protect information This is what you get by voting for Republicans. They are anti-social mentally deranged trash. @jgilbert   @jgilbert wouldn't Mastodon servers do the same thing? I assume all services centralized or not do this. I don't like this, but I'm not understanding what it has to do with Facebook. @jgilbert That's just pure fucking evil right there. Do not use corporate social media. Join the #fediverse. Get your friends, family, and anyone that matters to start an account on #friendica. Cancel Facebook, Meta, Threads, whatever. Cancel Twitter too. @jgilbert For anyone who is wondering why it would be bad for Threads to federate... @jgilbert #DeleteFacebook I did. No regrets. Meta needs to crash and burn: they've done so much damage already. @FlashMobOfOne @jgilbert I want to keep Meta out of fediverse, but these kinda information is not secure on the fediverse either. But, at least, on fediverse, people don't pretend that these kinda data is safe. The most important is: EDUCATE friends & family about the importance of end2end encryption. @jgilbert "Yeah, I don't refuse State Subpoenas for User Information"😂 I am sure the Government has subpoenas for Trumps Twitter Information. And The Ds' had 50 Years to Codify Roe v. Wade and instead used it as a fund raiser. If Hillary hadn't lost to Trumpf with her complete Political Incompetence we wouldn't have this problem.   @jgilbert Alwaya best to assume if you’re writing into an electronic device that it can be read by others. That way you’re either wrong, and no one can read, or you remain protected. And sure, FB sucks and the laws are draconian (she’d already been through a whole lot), but IMO it never hurts to manage your own risk levels while also fighting for a better society.  Yes. And not just writing: speaking, too. It would be unwise to assume that GCHQ (or your local equivalent) can't listen in to your phone calls. @jgilbert the fedi has the advantage that it's harder for the FBI to make broad attacks. Unfortunately they have greater power to seize an individual's server, see here https://uk.pcmag.com/social-media/147933/watch-out-fediverse-users-the-fbi-can-seize-a-mastodon-server Really, we need to hurry and get e2e encryption implemented on DMs. Then admins can shrug and say its not possible to obtain the private messages. @jgilbert@mastodon.social and yet I'm the crazy conspiracy theorist when I tell them not to trust fuck off huge companies cause they don't give a shit about anything but money and so they'll hand over anything that an oppressive gov requests @jgilbert Still on facebook, but like 95% less since switching over to mastodon, so at least Meta is getting WAY less ad money from me now than before. I would be careful labeling people working for awful companies as awful people, specially in a country where you risk starving if you don't have a job. But had I worked there, I would definitely take a job elsewhere if I could :O I hope the fediverse can kill FB / X / etc. They need to die. Don't put anything in email, text messages, or social media that you would not want your grandma or a police officer to hear. @jgilbert@mastodon.social okay but seriously people even here is not safe, cops can just walk into a data center, ram dump the box, and walk off with the entire database and search for abortion with keywords. USE SIGNAL AND OTHER ENCRYPTED APPS WHEN TALKING ABOUT ABORTION |
(unsure what I'm talking about? Here: https://www.thecut.com/2023/07/nebraska-mom-daughter-charges-illegal-abortion-facebook-chat.html )
(still using facebook? Stop. working at facebook? You're an awful person.)