Gregory's Server@jgilbert It's not like Meta just handed them over, they were served a warrant.
Almost every company, including the ones y'all work at, would do the same. When the government serves you a warrant, you comply or face nasty consequences.
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@chris_spackman @DarcMoughty @jgilbert Not like they don't have the tech for E2E encryption, you can enable it, it's just that they make it purposefully clunky and off by default because they make their money off of selling your data :p  @chris_spackman: That's some nihilist shit there. What? Teenagers talking to their friends are not at fault here. Teenage friends making bad decisions should not be blamed for being teenagers. Even Facebook, devils that they are, cannot be blamed for complying with a legal order. The fault here lies 100% with the law, the scum politicians that passed it, and the bastard police that made the decision to enforce it. I meant the friends thing somewhat sarcastically as a way of showing that there was more context than just the search warrant. It's not like police said "give us any DMs where people talk about abortion." They had a specific target because others talked to the police (and as you say, the crap law.) As for forgiving teenagers, that is for the girl and her mom. I'm not a psychologist, but I won't be surprised if the young lady has some trust issues in the future. Oh bullshit. Some companies fight this crap. Some companies warn about it rather than pretending it's protected. Some local governments don't go after a minor's information without a great deal more to go on. Some local governments allow women to have rights This is crap, your excuse is crap and Facebook is crap  @DarcMoughty @jhall251 @jgilbert Thanks for saying this. I see this story pushed as if Meta just randomly decided to handover information to the authorities. Then there’s people on their high horses as if admins wouldn’t hand over their data quickly to the law @DarcMoughty @jgilbert  @DarcMoughty @jgilbert Unjust warrants have been a thing for as long as we have courts, as is the practice of not keeping around written records you don't want to end up in the hands of the police. Everyone is responsible for making sure that they don't end up getting a teen into jail for an abortion. The easiest ways to do that are to either clearly inform people about the danger, or to encrypt everything and not store what you can't encrypt. Facebook did neither, and became a trap. @DarcMoughty @jgilbert Wikipedia at the moment is appealing in Portugal a court ruling to disclose private data of one the writers of the Portuguese Wikipedia. @DutchCheryl @jgilbert In that case, the stakes are much lower and it's an individual's lawyers that want the data, not government prosecutors. It's quite different. There's no way Meta would stand a chance in court in the case we're talking about.  @DarcMoughty @jgilbert look Apple can eat my whole ass but they famously tell the federal government to suck their dick every time they want a terrorist's iPhone unlocked, so it's definitely in Meta's power to value their customer's privacy. @DarcMoughty @jgilbert dang right they do. If it's on the cloud the FBI has seen it. Like I said, Apple can eat my whole ass. But you know they can unlock phones. The only reason they don't is because they don't want that information public. Facebook could do the same thing and claim DMs are encrypted and unable to be read. We all know it's bullshit, but they'd gain public support so the police couldn't push them on it. @Beeks @jgilbert I have a less cynical view. Meta offers a free product that has the end-to-end encryption that Facebook should, but setting it up is a bit harder, so it's not the default for their mainline product. I'm not upset at Meta on this; if you wanna do crimes, regardless of whether they ought not be crimes where you live, WhatsApp is right there. |
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True, and ...
* Facebook could have fought the warrant. (To be fair, I'm not sure how many companies do this, nor how effective it is.)
* people should maybe not trust friends (they told the police she took some pills)
* Facebook could be using end-to-end encryption on DMs (or everywhere) so as to not be able to hand over any data.
* FB could tell everyone "your DMS are not secure!!" a lot.