 There is no benefit to anyone on the left being on twitter. Nina Turner tweeted "Insulin should be free." some libertarians responded "Nina should pick cotton for free." Did this obvious racism hurt them? No, they now have more followers than ever. Being over there is just being bait for these extremists to build their network. Grotesque racist images of Nina, rather than being demoted by the algorithm are being *promoted* since the people posting them paid for blue checks. Leave. 72 comments
She isn't the only black person who is harmed when this happens. But even if she were it's still shitty. @futurebird @josephramoney @chris Both things are true: those “libertarians” are racist white supremacists and Turner is racist socialist-populist trash. There are no heroes in that incident. @TruthSandwich @futurebird @josephramoney @chris Right but why bring up her being crappy in a discussion around black people being attacked on social media? Isn't that like someone bringing up slavery then someone else screaming BUT CHICAGO!!! As in. It's an attempt to derail the conversation from it's initial purposes. That purpose being..pointing out how twitter is a hellscape for black people now. @DryBird227 @futurebird @josephramoney @chris Because the issue is racism and she is herself a racist. Nobody’s derailing anything. Nobody’s denying that the “libertarians” who attacked her are racist. Actually, when you frame it this way, it’s perfect: Twitter is a place for racists to argue with each other. There’s no reason for non-bigots to go there, not even to watch them fight. @TruthSandwich @futurebird @josephramoney @chris So you have racism against a white person happening. And racism against a black person happening. Are they exactly the same? Or is it a matter of racism against black people existing in america WAY WAY more than racism against white people? Keep in mind. The topic here is racism against black people on twitter. @DryBird227 @futurebird @josephramoney @chris I don’t support any kind of bigotry, and I don’t make exceptions, because that would itself be bigotry. The topic is two racists fighting with each other. @TruthSandwich @futurebird @josephramoney @chris But you do. Either on purpose or accidentally. Because again. The orignal topic was racism against black people on twitter. And now you've targeted how many black politicians now? Effectively changing the subject and forcing me an others to correct you INSTEAD of talking about the original subject. It's like people bringing up how it was chilly a day or so when the topic of climate change comes up. @DryBird227 @futurebird @josephramoney @chris Look at the actual thread: I didn’t bring up the fact that Turner is racist trash: @josephramoney did. I responded, putting it into perspective. I stand by this. @TruthSandwich @futurebird @josephramoney @chris So basically. If your friends jumped off a bridge you would too? I kid. But no one held a gun to your head and MADE you change the subject/topic. No one MADE you continue on with what someone else said. And no one. And i mean no one. Is forcing you to keep talking right now. Even if you just responded. You could have left it there after seeing that you were derailing a thread. But you didn't. That's no you. @DryBird227 @futurebird @josephramoney @chris Again, that’s simply not what happened. Someone else brought up the fact that Turner’s a racist, and I responded with the painfully accurate “Both things are true”. This is the opposite of derailing: I pointed out that Turner’s own guilt does not let her attackers off the hook. Are you done misquoting me? @TruthSandwich @futurebird @josephramoney @chris OP: Racism toward black people on twitter is crazy! You: OMG!!! WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THE FAULTS OF A BLACK PERSON!!! Us: You're derailing the thread. It wasn't about that. You: WELL IT IS NOW..WHAT YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT? I'M RIGHT TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT!!! Anybody ever point out to you what white privilege is? @TruthSandwich @futurebird @josephramoney @chris Here's an aspect of white privilege. Being able to dictate any and all conversations no matter if you're wrong or not. No matter if the subject matter directly effects you or not. Then being able to say what you want without repercussions/without repercussions being as bad as with people of color/black people. @DryBird227 @futurebird @josephramoney @chris You keep accusing me of derailing when I’m not the one who brought up Turner’s bigotry. I’m the one who pulled us back on the rails by saying both things are true and neither counters the other. @TruthSandwich @futurebird @josephramoney @chris But you didn't pull anything back from anywhere. It's like when a democrat makes a minor mistake on something. And people then scream both sides. Meanwhile, republicans are literally bringing child labor back. All you're doing is helping the very people (racists) you say you disagree with. I mean. We're here talking about you instead of the subject/topic right? Why do you think that is? How did that happen? @TruthSandwich @futurebird @josephramoney @chris Here's an extra. Just for you. Some life advice. Sometimes. You can just not. We aren't talking you doing extra actions. Just the absence of action. Really. If you are ever around any black person. Have a chance to talk to a black person. Ask them. How many times have they seen white people completely change the subject of racism against black people to something entirely unrelated. You'll for sure be surprised with the answers. @DryBird227 @TruthSandwich @josephramoney @chris Thanks for this comment I was having a hard time pinpointing why this response annoyed me so much-- I mean, I don't see anything wrong with being critical of Nina. (Though, I think it's good that she's taken advice and focused on local politics more.) @futurebird @TruthSandwich @josephramoney @chris You're welcome. I don't see anything wrong with it either. There's just a time and a place. Also, there are always reasons why people do things. @futurebird @DryBird227 @josephramoney @chris Because she is. The far left is antisemitic. Turner is a good example of this, as is Omar, who gets AOC’s full support. The far right is openly racist. The far left is less open, but not much less racist. An example of this is their reliance on descriptive representation. antisemitic people exist in any group of people who aren't Jewish, particularly in the US given the long history of antisemitism. But if you can't see the reaction to Ilan Omar was disproportionate I don't know what to tell you. It was racist the way the house came down on her so hard while others say far worse, refuse to learn, or apologize & actively try to make the US into a "Christian Nation." I'd never tell anyone they had to forgive/trust her. But she *was* targeted. @futurebird @TruthSandwich And all this is why it's fine for twitter to be full of memes of a prominent black woman made up to be a slave? Makes so much sense. I can’t see where anyone here said any such thing. Literally nobody is defending the so-called libertarians, not even for a second. Twitter has become the sort of place where sane people will be unhappy. I say leave it for the crazies. Which is, as it turns out, exactly what that your first post suggested. So I think we’re just going to have to agree to agree, because I don’t see any disagreement. You literally said "let them fight" as if the racist attacks didn't matter. I said let them fight because they’re both racists and I have no sympathy for racists who find themselves the victim of racism. That’s just karma. @futurebird @TruthSandwich their definition of antisemitic is being critical of Israel. Which is why they also said that Bernie sanders, a descendent of holocaust survivors, was antisemitic @TruthSandwich @futurebird @josephramoney @chris Here's the problem with that. As a black person i've seen white people bring up any and everything to distract away from racism against black people. On any and all social media sites. If someone brings up racism against black people. Then certain kinds of white people will bring up something that has nothing to do with black people as a means to change the subject. Again. What was the starting subject here? @DryBird227 @TruthSandwich @josephramoney @chris But AOC had a bad foreign policy take which she deleted (and she's been voting for all that spending and support this whole time--) And this proves... something. Something that means it's find and dandy to post images of Nina Turner as a slave picking cotton. Those images are hurtful to *all* black people. That twitter is now a place where that's "normal" is disgusting for all of us. It sucks. But at least I'm not over there anymore I guess. @futurebird @TruthSandwich @josephramoney @chris Yeah, i wouldn't even address what they brought up. And suggest you keep hitting your original topic as much and as hard as possible. Until they get it that the topic will not be pulled away from what you were talking about. I agree tho. Doesn't prove anything but that wasn't the context of your topic. It sucks that twitter is like that tho. With you on that. @DryBird227 @futurebird @josephramoney @chris The starting subject was a mock fight between two ends of the horseshoe. @TruthSandwich @DryBird227 @josephramoney @chris No it was how disgustingly racist twitter is. And how that racism is being actively promoted so it's basically impossible to avoid. @TruthSandwich @futurebird @josephramoney @chris No. The starting subject/topic was why do black people stay on twitter even after it's clear that elon musk has allowed the worst of the worst to basically run the place. That people of color in general but more specifically black people. Are being attacked on twitter more than ever before. Which is saying something because racism on american based social media sites is literally the norm. @futurebird @josephramoney @chris Of course it is terrible. It really does not matter who she is - their behaviour is awful. Period.  @josephramoney @futurebird @chris Absolutely true. But dehumanizing Black people in general isn’t acceptable and dehumanizing even just her this way isn’t either. She can be terrible and rightfully deserving of condemnation without being dehumanized in response, even and particularly by those who were subject to her own hate. Nina has always seemed shady to me. That she stays on twitter is not good judgment which is par for the course for her. @josephramoney @futurebird @chris my understanding is that her comments were about corporate donors backing Zionist Democrats, not Jews Most progressive Jews in the US are anti-Zionist, including Bernie Sanders @josephramoney @futurebird @chris She probably has fewer swastika tattoos than the goons hating on her.  The problem of her poor personality isn't in any way a valid excuse for racist abuse. Even racist abuse *from* her is still not a valid excuse to come back with the same.  @josephramoney @futurebird @chris if only the nina haters being promoted were being promoted on that basis, rather than unrelated racism against her...
@josephramoney @futurebird @chris Leftists hold frame and defend minorities instead of infighting challenge: impossible    @futurebird What helped tip the scale for me was realizing Space Karen is not merely insensitive, he’s actively hateful to a bunch of groups. Fortunately most of the people I know have bailed and infosec twitter seems to have moved entirely over here. Still, I wonder whether Mastodon will gain traction beyond early-adopter types like us. Fingers crossed.  @mkb @futurebird the changes in current might not be as apparent to twitter users who don't discuss politics often (or US politics at least) that might explain why majority of twitter users, at least ones i used to follow, didn't ever bother with leaving except maybe in november during the 'twitter is dying for real' scare but it lasted like 2 days total @natriumchloride @futurebird I was quite political on Birdsite but had mostly wandered away by the time Space Karen was in the picture. At some point I realized that when I used Twitter I consistently came away angry. At that point it got a whole lot less appealing. That said, staying off FB and Birdsite-- two of the most popular social networking sites --does limit my knowledge in some ways. I'm just not as plugged in to all the culture bits my friends are. Same here as far as being less political on this site. I find I do get the important news, however, and appreciate things being taken down several octaves. Blocking so many people on twitter was exhausting.  @futurebird ideally they should also delete their account too, so they don't go back there. Maybe also block it in DNS settings too if it's that addictive @futurebird Welcome to the Fediverse -- everytime you say 'NIGGER', John Mastodon sends you 1 BTC.
> NIGGER @futurebird I've said this for years. Abandon them and give them no one to talk to but each other. They only live to insult anyway. @futurebird 100%. It's common sense vote with your feet. I'll go a little bit further. They are "good" Germans. Especially the leftwing/liberal journalists who stay...because that's where their paycheck comes from.  @futurebird I left when Musk took over and it’s one of the best things I’ve ever done. Even then it was a squalid cesspool and I’m sure it’s worse now. I’d urge anyone to get away if only for their own mental health. @futurebird Absolutely! It's ironic how many people simply claim that they want to stay with twitter to hopefully effect some kind of change because it is a futile effort. Twitter is being ran by someone clearly in the depths of untreated Anti-Social Personality Disorder that is high on the power that money has given him. By remaining with Twitter, one simply feeds that ego. @futurebird some of those racists are probably being paid by Musk to generate clicks too. @futurebird  @futurebird my friend is part if a group that gets targeted on titter but wont leave, I think it is because of the art scene? tumblr has a better "art scene" IDK. I think the people who have stay don't realize just how much worse it's gotten over the past year. @futurebird (1) Glad I have multiple accounts, because you are not found at my others. (2) beside the racism and stupidity you mentioned, there's obvious bad logic. Insulin is available, Nina Turner is not, so of course it's not free, but they are free to as stupid as they can. |
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Nina Turner is a piece of shit antisemite, who went to war against the entire Democratic party in her attempt to win the OH11 then when she lost she blamed Jewish Money. Fuck Nina Turner.