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myrmepropagandist

@DryBird227 @TruthSandwich @josephramoney @chris

Thanks for this comment I was having a hard time pinpointing why this response annoyed me so much-- I mean, I don't see anything wrong with being critical of Nina. (Though, I think it's good that she's taken advice and focused on local politics more.)

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@futurebird @TruthSandwich @josephramoney @chris You're welcome. I don't see anything wrong with it either. There's just a time and a place. Also, there are always reasons why people do things.

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@futurebird @DryBird227 @josephramoney @chris

Being critical of Turner does not let the people who attacked her off the hook. It’s not a distraction; it’s a reminder of what’s really going on here.

People like Turner and AOC are frequent targets for reprehensible behavior from the far right, but they are unworthy of our sympathy.

Not only are they undeserving because of their own racism, but because they’re cynically gunning for this sympathy so that we feel compelled to defend and legitimize them.

Turner isn’t an innocent victim, she’s an opportunist who seeks out victimization, such as her claims of a Jewish conspiracy against her.

@futurebird @DryBird227 @josephramoney @chris

Being critical of Turner does not let the people who attacked her off the hook. It’s not a distraction; it’s a reminder of what’s really going on here.

People like Turner and AOC are frequent targets for reprehensible behavior from the far right, but they are unworthy of our sympathy.

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@futurebird @DryBird227 @josephramoney @chris

Because she is.

The far left is antisemitic. Turner is a good example of this, as is Omar, who gets AOC’s full support.

The far right is openly racist. The far left is less open, but not much less racist. An example of this is their reliance on descriptive representation.

wpde.com/news/nation-world/aoc

myrmepropagandist

@TruthSandwich

antisemitic people exist in any group of people who aren't Jewish, particularly in the US given the long history of antisemitism.

But if you can't see the reaction to Ilan Omar was disproportionate I don't know what to tell you.

It was racist the way the house came down on her so hard while others say far worse, refuse to learn, or apologize & actively try to make the US into a "Christian Nation."

I'd never tell anyone they had to forgive/trust her. But she *was* targeted.

Tut Willy 🔱

@futurebird @TruthSandwich
The first task would be to make that page mobile screen friendly? 🤔

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@futurebird

Yes, of course she was. And so are AOC and Turner. And that was intentional, or at least opportunistic, on their part. They are willing victims.

Look, this deserves a much more thorough response than I can put together on the fly, but there’s more going on here than the surface level. I can try to summarize, but it’s not going to be a full-fledged argument; maybe I need to write up a blog post on this.

Briefly, the far left is extremely cynical about systemic bigotry. On the one hand, their Marxist class reductionism teaches them that it can safely be ignored because it’s just economic anxiety and will magically go away as soon as they finish eating the rich.

This trickle-down approach makes them, at minimum, anti-anti-racist, but there’s also quite a bit of active bigotry in there, with antisemitism and misogyny perhaps the most visible.

On the other hand, their cynicism allows them to make use of purely descriptive representation as a way to immunize themselves from accurate accusations about this topic.

Bluntly, they run skinfolk so that they can play the “I can’t be bigoted because I’m a minority myself” card as well as the “Any criticism of me stems from bigotry” one.

The former is an obvious lie, while the latter is also false but muddled by the fact that there is definitely bigotry involved in the R’s attacks.

However, as I alluded to earlier, these attacks are desired and baited. It makes them seem sympathetic and gets people who ought to know better to rush to their defense.

Anyhow, this is getting long, and I don’t have enough space in this margin for a full proof, so this will have to be my answer for now.

The bottom line is that Twitter has turned into a cesspool for performative culture war combat, and there are no heroes in this. The people attacking Turner are bigoted trash and so is she. I say let them rot.

#politics #uspol

@futurebird

Yes, of course she was. And so are AOC and Turner. And that was intentional, or at least opportunistic, on their part. They are willing victims.

Look, this deserves a much more thorough response than I can put together on the fly, but there’s more going on here than the surface level. I can try to summarize, but it’s not going to be a full-fledged argument; maybe I need to write up a blog post on this.

myrmepropagandist replied to DELETED

@TruthSandwich

And all this is why it's fine for twitter to be full of memes of a prominent black woman made up to be a slave? Makes so much sense.

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@futurebird

I can’t see where anyone here said any such thing. Literally nobody is defending the so-called libertarians, not even for a second.

Twitter has become the sort of place where sane people will be unhappy. I say leave it for the crazies. Which is, as it turns out, exactly what that your first post suggested.

So I think we’re just going to have to agree to agree, because I don’t see any disagreement.

myrmepropagandist replied to DELETED

@TruthSandwich

You literally said "let them fight" as if the racist attacks didn't matter.

DELETED replied to myrmepropagandist

@futurebird

I said let them fight because they’re both racists and I have no sympathy for racists who find themselves the victim of racism. That’s just karma.

wasabi brain

@futurebird @TruthSandwich their definition of antisemitic is being critical of Israel. Which is why they also said that Bernie sanders, a descendent of holocaust survivors, was antisemitic

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@virtualinanity @futurebird

No, that’s not true.

Do you want me to quote Turner blaming American Jews for conspiring against her political ambitions? Or would you prefer Omar endorsing genocide?

Don’t defend bigots because that makes you one. And I block bigots without blinking.

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@TruthSandwich @futurebird @josephramoney @chris Here's the problem with that. As a black person i've seen white people bring up any and everything to distract away from racism against black people.

On any and all social media sites. If someone brings up racism against black people. Then certain kinds of white people will bring up something that has nothing to do with black people as a means to change the subject.

Again. What was the starting subject here?

myrmepropagandist

@DryBird227 @TruthSandwich @josephramoney @chris

But AOC had a bad foreign policy take which she deleted (and she's been voting for all that spending and support this whole time--)

And this proves... something. Something that means it's find and dandy to post images of Nina Turner as a slave picking cotton.

Those images are hurtful to *all* black people. That twitter is now a place where that's "normal" is disgusting for all of us. It sucks.

But at least I'm not over there anymore I guess.

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@futurebird @TruthSandwich @josephramoney @chris Yeah, i wouldn't even address what they brought up. And suggest you keep hitting your original topic as much and as hard as possible.

Until they get it that the topic will not be pulled away from what you were talking about.

I agree tho. Doesn't prove anything but that wasn't the context of your topic. It sucks that twitter is like that tho. With you on that.

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@DryBird227 @futurebird @josephramoney @chris

The starting subject was a mock fight between two ends of the horseshoe.

myrmepropagandist

@TruthSandwich @DryBird227 @josephramoney @chris

No it was how disgustingly racist twitter is. And how that racism is being actively promoted so it's basically impossible to avoid.

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@TruthSandwich @futurebird @josephramoney @chris No. The starting subject/topic was why do black people stay on twitter even after it's clear that elon musk has allowed the worst of the worst to basically run the place.

That people of color in general but more specifically black people. Are being attacked on twitter more than ever before. Which is saying something because racism on american based social media sites is literally the norm.

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