@thomasfuchs #google just ramped up their #Asshat status

@thomasfuchs I won’t even spell the word G00gle in it’s correct form.

@thomasfuchs heh

@thomasfuchs More people wouldn't use adblockers if they weren't so intrusive, annoying, didn't slow down the page, and didn't invade our privacy.

@thomasfuchs I hope they don't succeed

@thomasfuchs Next it will be web cam on required so they can make sure you looked at the ads for long enough.

@thomasfuchs
Laughs in DuckDuckGo

@thomasfuchs if you are using any Google products you are supporting this utter shit

@thomasfuchs "Google" and "integrity" in the same sentence?

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And the fucking disguise it with a guilt trip "If you aren't seeing ads, how can we TRUST you?"

Fuck off. You don't. Actual trust, as in close human relation ship trust, is EARNED, you sacks of shit certainly haven't earned trust between us.

@thomasfuchs
I recently started using DuckDuckGo

It’s a more relaxing way to browse and watch because it cuts back on a bunch of nonsense and #enshitification

So maybe give it a try if chrome is going to start behaving like Elno owns it

@thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io What's so funny is the first sentence is utter bullshit.

> Users often depend on websites trusting the client environment they run in.

@thomasfuchs the bad faith and intellectual dishonesty of the first paragraphs already left me enraged.

@thomasfuchs i love how in the "challenges" section on fingerprinting they have no idea how to enforce that the attester wouldn't provide "high entropy" content.

which is a funny way to say "the attester can tell the website as much as they want about the device"

Google (via Chrome) would be an attester under this model 🤡

@thomasfuchs Is this separate to the Manifest V3 issue?

@thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io
Firefox on PC, brave on my phone.

@thomasfuchs yet a other reason not to use chrome. I've switched from it ages ago, Firefox instead. Now I just need to ween myself off Gmail.

@thomasfuchs I’m lost - does the ad-forcing site do this by requiring “attestation” that… the ads are loading? Certain extensions aren’t present?

@thomasfuchs alright, time to disrupt all the open issues (that are from the people interested in implementing this, please no friendly fire)

@thomasfuchs I loath Google anymore… this is exactly what the internet SHOULDN’T BE!

@thomasfuchs Ugh, this is troublesome news...I don't want to support Google in their time of being a massive asshat.

I need to investigate alternatives that work well with my Google 2FA and Password less Sign-in. I'm a bit too tied to their ecosystem right now. 😭

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I really don't understand why people do things like use Chrome.

@thomasfuchs

I use android so i cant remove it but its the browser of last resort due to ad spam

@thomasfuchs Just switched to Firefox last week (after trying Brave and the DuckDuckGo browser and not really being happy with either), and I’m suddenly very glad I did.

@thomasfuchs One more major to use a PiHole at home !

@thomasfuchs rule 0 of web development: never trust the client. Ever. I mean it. You have zero guarantees that anything will work all the time

@thomasfuchs But if you even use youtube you are still supporting utter shit, because google owns it. Come on Thomas, you can do better than this!

@thomasfuchs Something about this reminds me of when car manufacturers made cars harder to steal so carjackings went up. I feel like there will definitely be some unintended negative consequences here.

@thomasfuchs the explainer explicitly says "don't interfere with browser plugins". Where'd you get the "kill ad blockers part" from. You think the doc is lying?

@thomasfuchs I'm way more worried about the effects on accessibility tools and any kind of alternative clients/frontends/apps than ad blockers in major browsers specifically, but yeah.

@thomasfuchs I bet this has something to do with blocking AI training bots, too. @lisamelton

@thomasfuchs chromium*

If you use any Chromium-based browser you still support Google by giving them more power over the web.

Switch to Firefox. Save the Web.

@thomasfuchs can someone please explain this to me in different words? I read the page up to goals and non-goals and I’m not understanding most of it. Thanks in advance 💛

@thomasfuchs does that apply to all Chromium based browsers too?

@thomasfuchs TLDR?

@thomasfuchs Web is dying because there is too much of the web. Too much of "free" websites where users are being product. Too much of ads while good account of ads is 0. Zero.
I mean that I never bought something after clicking (intentionally or accidentally) on ad shown me at web or in mobile device.
Utopia of free websites ends. Either you subscribe for a website, or it dies in going bankrupt.
Yes. donations exists, but not everyone can donate or rely on donations.

@thomasfuchs stop 👏 using 👏 Chromium 👏 based 👏 browsers.

@thomasfuchs I'm assuming this will apply not just to chrome but to browsers built on Chromium, right?

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What if you use #Brave?

@thomasfuchs L chrome

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👁️ 👄 👁️ @partit_pirata

@thomasfuchs I suppose I’ll continue not using #chrome

Oh man the issues that people created on this 😂

@thomasfuchs This is all on the GitHub account of some random guy, who isn’t even part of the Google org.

Are we sure it’s legit?

@thomasfuchs SAY “MCDONALD’S” TO END COMMERCIAL

@thomasfuchs I read the proposal (FWIW I have significant experience with FIDO and other attestation/signing type things like it).

I can’t see how this could work in reality? Like almost all crypto things, it boils down to key distribution. For the scheme to work, there has to be a private key that signs things, for the server to verify. But where are they going to put the private key that something like an adblocker can’t just steal it?
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@thomasfuchs this is fucked.

Mozilla’s not doing great stuff either. We really need a non-bullshit browser.

@thomasfuchs If there's anything good to come out of this, it would be the absolutely hilarious shitposting in the issues and pull requests. People protesting shitty decisions/changes by spamming pull request that delete the entire repo will never not be funny.

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This is causing me to investigate deGoogling.

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So how is google's bot going to index such sites? Given the obvious answer, what's going to stop malicious bots?

They can try, but they can't have it both ways.

@thomasfuchs SafetyNet completely ruined Android :drgn_sigh: Can't wait to see it ruin the web.

People really need to stop using Chrome.

@thomasfuchs This is exactly why I never use Chrome. I typically use LibreWolf, which is a privacy-hardened fork of Firefox.

BTW, if people think Brave is going to save them from this, it's not. I downloaded Brave, tested it with uBlock Origin on YouTube, & it did not block anything (when it normally blocks numerous YT ads). And while the built-in Brave Shield will catch much of this, it's not perfect & misses things. I cannot advocate enough for everyone to get out of anything Chromium-based.

@thomasfuchs my visa bank won’t let me use anything but Chrome. Like I’m helpless I just changed banks as my former bank had my card hacked tree times

@thomasfuchs Wow someone finally found a way to get large numbers of people to diversify the #browser ecosystem. Great Job Google, enjoy watching #Chrome usage drop while people migrate to anything else.

I routinely use the #DuckDuckgo browser on my phone with #IceRaven or #Vanadium for things where I might actually want to hold onto cookies or use extensions and #Firefox on my desktops.

Edit: for spelling/autocorrect errors.

@thomasfuchs "how to create sites that are instantly blacklisted"

@thomasfuchs enclosure of the web.

Please can we kill these corps?

un Bork anti-trust

@thomasfuchs The good news is that it's a Google project, so it'll be abandoned in eighteen months or so.

@thomasfuchs chrome is popular enough that they have stopped investing in features for users. Most of the features I hear about are for ad optimization.

@thomasfuchs to quote a great man: what a shitload of fuck.

@thomasfuchs

@thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io
Proud to NOT use chrome. Fuck that noise.

@thomasfuchs Since adblocking is a cognitive accessibility requirement, forbidding such page alteration is an ableist and discriminatory practice.

@thomasfuchs Honestly, since the choice is Firefox or Chromium and I won't use Firefox (always had shitty experience with it), I'll stay with Opera and AdNauseam "adblocker".

You can blame me as much as you want, if it makes you feel superior. But you probably should turn your rage against developers, not users.

@thomasfuchs So, use a different browser. Chrome is a bit cruddy these days, it's just laziness that stops me changing. And those others that are built on Chromium - they can leave the crud out, it's open source after all... And finally - any website that I can't adblock simply doesn't get any visits. Web advertising is a big case of emporer's new clothes anyway - does anyone pay it any attention?

@thomasfuchs I'm using ungoogled-chromium and Bromite. is that better?

@thomasfuchs
"If you use Chrome, you are supporting the capitalist evil shit Google are doing"

Non-tech-savvy people, drained people, Neuro-divergent people, probably disabled people, inattentive people, etc. :

@thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io google try not to completely fuck up the internet in an attempt to slightly up their revenue by getting rid of adblockers challenge (impossible)

@thomasfuchs this is a tad too technical for me. Would this also work against a pi hole?

@thomasfuchs

"Users want to know they are interacting with real people on social websites..."

"Users playing a game on a website want to know whether other players are using software that enforces the game's rules. ..."

"Users sometimes get tricked into installing malicious software that imitates software like their banking apps..."

These are not the for the browser to decide, they are the websites' moderation and security responsibilities.

#Google #Chrome #Software #Evil

@thomasfuchs Still using firefox, i refuse to use chrome

@thomasfuchs
Firefox :firefox:

@thomasfuchs
Does anyone have a good recommendation for alternative webbrowsers?
I've had bad experiences with firefox.

Something with webrtc support, and preferably with support for wrbextensions, and of its more privacy conscious, that'd be a big plus too.

@thomasfuchs Please don't throw ordinary users under the bus with this. Boycotting Google will do nothing to stop this for one and two, people can't just stop using Chrome just because Google does bad shit. I use a Chromebook but I DO NOT support this!

@thomasfuchs I can totally understand, that people might prefer Chrome's GUI over #Firefox's. However, there's a simple solution: Using #Chromium or @brave

@thomasfuchs Adblocker attitudes bother me. Access to content and services produced by others is not a right. The expection others should pay for free access seems unethical. Ignore sites that include ads if you object to viewing them.

@thomasfuchs what is wrong with these people. Part of me wants to honestly email all of the contributors to this and ask what's their honest thought process in this. Are they seriously in a delusion that this is a good idea?

At what point you, as a tech lover, wake up in the morning and say "feeling like ruining the internet today for everyone" and then get a gang of buddies to do that. Can't wrap my head around that.

@thomasfuchs The sad part is they're going to treat this like Reddits protests and do it anyways. If you dismiss your entire opposition as trolls, consent is cake. 😞

@thomasfuchs I mean, I'd see it implemented happily.

Let's shit websites filter out themselves, because I am pretty sure Firefox will be blocked pretty quickly to enforce chrome (or one of it's derivatives) as the only standard.

Maybe we don't even need ad-blockers anymore, because the shit websites filter out themselves XD

@thomasfuchs Fun thing though

"How will we prevent this signal from being used to exclude vendors?" talks about excluding certain browsers, because it's very clear which browser is used.

Would be funny to use their own tech to block chrome browsers though, with a warning "You are supporting anti-privacy browsers! Please use a better browser."

@thomasfuchs While I understand where you're coming from, putting the blame on the end-users (99% of whom have no idea about these things) really rubs me the wrong way.