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Ramsey Nasser

absolutely losing my entire mind at this web site that decided to take their irritating distracting "chat with us" popups that no one ever asked for and make it *fucking bounce around like the fucking dvd logo* what the fuck is happening

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Ramsey Nasser

i take it all back javascript was a mistake

Ramsey Nasser

anyway it turns out you cant use quickbooks on linux

ティージェーグレェ

@nasser According to Intuit, some years ago; it was vaguely possible to use Linux as fileshare, sorta.

However, they only had I think two approved distros? Both of which were *terrible*.

Bad: their support, totally clueless w.r.t. to Linux.

Worse: even when I did manage to sort of get their approved distros running, turns out: they didn't implement any sort of file locking sanity checks.

Hellish: Intuit blamed it on Linux running in a VM (as if I would put something that busted into prod without testing first?)

But yeah, the client side app was still Windows only last I checked.

Thankfully: there are other accounting applications, from vendors which haven't lost lawsuits filed by the FTC.

@nasser According to Intuit, some years ago; it was vaguely possible to use Linux as fileshare, sorta.

However, they only had I think two approved distros? Both of which were *terrible*.

Bad: their support, totally clueless w.r.t. to Linux.

Worse: even when I did manage to sort of get their approved distros running, turns out: they didn't implement any sort of file locking sanity checks.

Jeaux

@nasser You should definitely chat with them about THAT!

Manx

@jeaux @nasser Yes, that would be an honorable mission: To take the time and tell every chatbot to _please_ stop chatboting.

Jeaux

@manx Chatbox Frustrator sounds like a noble title indeed.🙌

Manx

@jeaux Love that. 😂 Now I want a new job.

Jeaux

@manx Chief Chatbot Frustrator — you just motivate the other Frustrators to frustrate all day!✨

Manx

@jeaux CCF – the new made up title for my resume.

Jeaux

@manx You are legendary in that role. Everyone knows your work!

Chris [list of emoji]

@nasser

Also, the actual text on the page is ChatGPT-levels of weaselly.

ティージェーグレェ

@nasser CODEF is cool (e.g. wab.com/) but let's be honest: re-implementing Amiga vintage demos in a browser is a terrible waste of resources, better handled by more versatile emulators such as UAE.

Mitsunee | 光音

@nasser this uses 0 javascript if done correctly

𐑝𐑧𐑜𐑭 𐑓𐑘𐑹𐑛 :esperanto:

@mitsunee I still dont want to see somebody blocking the view of the site regardless if it is done with or without javascript😜 #joke

Mitsunee | 光音

@vegafjord fair enough, I just really dislike JS getting blamed for everything that's wrong with the web, even tho what's at fault are 80% advertisers and 20% "people" who don't understand users at all. I have a massively underoptimized blog that loads super quickly despite uselessly hydrating the entire text content on the page. It's never JS's fault.

sofia ☮️🏴

@mitsunee @vegafjord @nasser most of the shit JS gets is due to it being enabled by default.

just imagine a web that grew up with adblockers in every browser, and opt-in for cookies and JS…

Mitsunee | 光音

@sofia there wouldn't be a reason to block JS if it wasn't for advertisers and other such nonsense

sofia ☮️🏴

@mitsunee i disagree. just because i visit your website does not mean i wanna run whatever code you have there. i think this would be a good disincentive to use JS for no good reason, which is like 95% of those websites that start of blank before you enable js. a static-ass website, but they gotta use some framework shit.

Mitsunee | 光音

@sofia if you don't wanna run my code then don't visit the site? My sites aren't blank without JS either, that problem got solved literally years ago and was merely caused by people overusing ui libraries without a framework that let's them work at scale. In fact it was never a problem for any of *my* sites. Fuck off with your pointless accusations.

sofia ☮️🏴

@mitsunee i really didn't mean to accuse you in particulat of making shitty websites, sorry if that's how it came across. it was meant to be a generic "you". the blank website phenomenon is very much still a thing, and it's super annoying, and yeah, framework fans promised me that would go away years ago…

running arbitrary code just seems like something that should have special permissions in a system that is stilll primarily used for documents. just like, say, camera access.

sofia ☮️🏴

@mitsunee i guess my feelinmg about frameworks are party motivated by me trying to and failing to understand React (i guess it has something to do with automatically synchronizing data and UI 🤷). and when the main notable effect of this arcane magic is breaking static websites then that's just a bit… disappointing…

Thiago Figueiró

@mitsunee @nasser this reminds me of the oxymoronic subversion slogan “cvs done right”. There’s no doing this aberration correctly.

Mitsunee | 光音

@thiagocsf if you are doing any sort of animation with JS you are doing it very very very wrong tho. JS is actually the thing that helps you get rid of this abomination by offering the close button...

Sheogorath 🦊

@nasser if you prefer that, they can implement this in CSS animations :)

Sceptique

@nasser nothing you cant fix by disabling all javascript by default.

Trillion Byter

@nasser
Developer: "But.... You said you wanted to include gamification in the new site design?!"

Arindam Basu

There needs to be a defederation equivalent for isolating websites like these …

gwenprime

@nasser the fact that they couldnt even bother to do the collision detection right is what gets me.

Ramsey Nasser

@gwenprime omfg yes. theyre clearly just checking the upper left hand corner. how do you go this far and not commit. even more unhinged.

I am Jack's Lost 404

@nasser @gwenprime

Lmfao I sat through and watched the whole thing, you're totally right.

I hope it gets stuck in the corner.

Dym Sohin

@gwenprime @nasser
im afraid they would much rather export unity physics engine, than iterate over every corner of a DOM element

👻™ Argentinian gourd shipment 🐊

@nasser jesus christ there's no way this can be real, for my own health I have to believe this is a joke

Chris Adams

@nasser @notthatready wow, someone really didn’t want to admit that the chatbot salesperson was completely lying about usage rates? “It can’t be me, it’s all of our users who are wrong!”

not that ready :gayashell:

@acdha @nasser chat bot board meeting next month: "alright folks, we're closing in our mission. We've already infected nearly every customer service website with these. Now some of them are even moving around the page. What's next in our mission to make the web completely unusable?"

"what if you had to tweet to open the chat bot?"

"no, make it open automatically, cover the page, and you have to tweet to close it."

"why tweet? Automated phone trees and hold times for phone calls still exist!"

XaiaX

@nasser @NoraReed you almost have to respect how fucking terrible it is.

Almost.

Mike-麥-Mai-v1.618 😎

@nasser wow i give them points for trying to trigger nostalgia 🤣

vantiss

@nasser
@20kqueso
oh I guess the modern updated hypnospace outlaw came out early

m

@nasser i haven’t seen anything this cursed-looking since popup windows were still a thing

jack

@nasser “is it possible to learn this power?”
“Not from a Jedi…”

remote procedure chris

@nasser im crying someone with a beard really said "the reason they're not engaging with this is because it's off in the corner of the screen"

Ramsey Nasser

@chrisisgr8 a beard and an MBA and the confidence of mythological Greek hero

remote procedure chris

@nasser there's like a 50% chance a person who just needed a job suggested this as a joke and had to follow through with it

Preston de Guise 🏳️‍🌈✍🏼

@nasser @daedalus I remember in one of the Harry Potter books, Dumbledore magick'd up some drinks for the Dursley's and when they wouldn't drink them, the glasses started more frantically banging their heads. This website has the same vibes.

Doug Baker

@nasser I’ve often wondered whatever happened to the folks that invented #pong.

wrosecrans

@nasser "According to A/B testing, we got more engagement with the moving version," because people clicked on it by accident. That's science proving it's a good thing that people like.

shards of tebicat

@nasser someone brought this up as a joke in a meeting and noone said no to them.

NeoFox

@nasser clearly, it's to prevent the article from burning your retinas

Raptor :gamedev:

@NeoFox @nasser no kidding, everyone watching the bouncing chatbot completely ignoring that the content itself looks like auto-written SEO content, it's not even REMOTELY correct, lol.(claims that you can't run software if a ".deb" source package isn't available, saying you need to use a windows emulator, etc)

vx. size_t queen grace :qvp:

@nasser "nobody's clicking on our bullshit nobody wants! they clearly must not see it."

DJ Tent Mode

@nasser Also, she's 100% not a real person. She is 100% a bot. 💯%

otocincluscat

@nasser omgoodness, that is horrible - i wonder if they really expect that to be successful.

Adam Christian Smith

@nasser I'd chat with HER but I know Quasimodo is on the other side of the green.

Michael Porter

@nasser The "Kill Sticky" bookmarklet might help with that. I give it a click whenever there's annoying stuff in the page and it often makes it vanish.

Details here:
holburn.net/software/Javascrip

EmberQuill :v_gf:

@nasser this is the kind of thing that makes me immediately click the back button and never ever visit this site again. I hate, hate, hate live chat popups even when they don't bounce around the screen in the most annoying possible way.

Justin

@nasser omg it's amazing 🤣 I thought we'd already hit peak annoying on websites with chat bots, popups, banners, marquees, cookie questions, etc.

@infosec_jcp 🆓🐦🐈🃏 done differently

@nasser

Okay, that's funny 😹😹😹😹

I missed the bounce off the wall part though but... omg, someone APPROVED that UI/UX! 😹🥴😹🥴

Cassidy James :eos: :gg: :fh:

@nasser this HAS to have been a joke from an annoyed web developer (“You want it even MORE in your face? FINE, how’s THIS fucking DVD-ass bouncing—”)

—and the CEO or marketing person saw it and instantly approved it.

Christopher Snowhill

@cassidy @nasser They also do this the first time you right click anywhere on the site:

Alexandra Magin 💜

@nasser That the code only calculates the collision of the upper right corner with the edges of the viewport is especially sad!

Will

@nasser And I used to think those hovering videos on the news sites were bad. I take it all back.

ThreeOfUs

@nasser omg wtf are they thinking? Mind you, I do love that game where you bounce the ball to break the bricks.

Eshu Marneedi

@nasser Also not to mention that the contents of that website read like AI wrote them.

Alexander Knochel

@nasser What you don't see is that Heather from sales actually sits there with a joystick steering it around

Jules

@nasser Boosted to shame the "experts" who set it to do that. Shee-ees!

mybarkingdogs

@nasser I HATE HATE HATE those chat popups anyway. They're almost never useful (even when you want to buy the product and speak to an actual employee, they still mess up - Lenovo Outlet's did that for me, although their failure DID help me get a better machine with double the SSD space when I wasn't able to buy there and looked on ebay open box)

Steven Johnson

@nasser times like this I wish Hell existed so that the inventor of these popups would have an ironic punishment for eternity

Ally from Reborn Media

@nasser I’m stealing this idea! 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Incident Creator ❎

@nasser
Oh, the managemyhealth site is even more fun. The new chat component crashes and totally locks up the UI, so that got blocked pretty quick.

Saxnot

@nasser the 24/7/365 is what gets me. We don't have 365 weeks in the year...

Solicitor

@nasser I simply leave and avoid visiting this dreadful website in future 🤢🤮. I really wish a browser plugin such as #ublockorigin could block such an annoying floating chat window from appearing in the first place.

Forcen

@solicitor @nasser ublock origin probably does block it if you enable the lists in the "Annoyances" section. If it doesn't then you can report it on their github or on their subreddit github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki

MrMattBurgess

@nasser

Haha, that’s hilarious. Pong chat. And available all day for….6.995352403 years

Raphael

@nasser haha, this is amazing! Amazingly bad.

Many Colors, Many Forms, Many Flavors, Maybe More

@nasser@merveilles.town
I'm waiting for the Chat With Me logo
To hit the corner of my PC
This shit is driving me loco
Who knew a corpo could be preachy
It's fucking with me!

Averi

@nasser that is possibly the worst design idea I've ever seen

Barktic Fox :therian:

@nasser I need to share this with a coworker tomorrow and then burn the evidence, because I feel like some of our clients would ask us to do this for them if they knew about its existence.

Cal Alaera

@nasser The only correct response to this is to click it, wait for an agent to respond, then complain. I mean, they do say they're available 24/7/365, why not maliciously comply?


@nasser This is an example of peak web design. It's all downhill from here.

schnittchen 🏳️‍🌈🐆

@nasser "Hey Developer, can you make this more obnoxious?"

DELETED

@nasser honestly, i don't know how i feel about this since it's funny but annoying at the same time

DELETED

@nasser you will enjoy bloat websites with ads,
you will sing up for everything,
you will love popups

Inga stands with Ukraine

@nasser and they didn't even do that right! (Only the top left corner bounces, not the entire logo)

ComplexedOne

@nasser Oh dear lord.And they wonder why so many of us consider am Ad Blocker as an essential element of modern web browsing.

Kinu

@nasser They probably thought this was cooler in their mind or smthin LMFAO

Timo Grün

@nasser
I suppose it’s not surprising that people who think this is acceptable web design are also incapable of getting to the fracking point.

sub_o

@nasser I'm amazed that they did this first, instead of porn sites.

schratze

@nasser web designers are enemies of the people

Michelle B 🇩🇲🇪🇺

@nasser this had me absolutely howling for some reason. But I too would be raging if I came across this in the wild.

Clément CG

@nasser WTF is this garbage article anyway ?
*- "While most of the workforce today ****prefer**** Windows on their desktop"* Well that's debatable lol ! 🤣
*- "there is a small but growing minority that prefers Linux over Windows, Mac OS ****and other operating systems****"* like what ? OS2 or the AS400 ?
*- "Linux users are ****paranoid**** about safety"* You heard it ? You sick paranoid degenerates that you are...
- *"making it ****impossible**** to run a proprietary software"*

AceMyHomework

@nasser This must be quite a horrible experience interacting with the website!

Matt, from the internet

@nasser hold on, adding an item to my list of things I'll outlaw when I'm president

helplessduck

@nasser

I have to filter this post. My eyes can only bleed so much.

thicc tusk energy

@nasser Time to get Adguard. They have a whole filter dedicated to these sort of widgets and popups. I have the software the filters the whole system but it costs money. The browser extension is free.

gom

@nasser
Your lag of ad, script and cookie blocker add-ons is irritating..

sonicJazzMonkey

@nasser Geez how irritating. Has potential to put of new visitors to the site.
Shame there isn't a browser plugin to remove these.

Josh (he/his)

@nasser *marketing voice*:

"But the research by the company that owns the popup widget told me that conversions increase 50% with this widget, and the CMO is firing me unless I increase conversions by 50%"

thicc tusk energy

@nasser I believe I paid $32 for a year. There are free software options out there I've tried but they generally are a pain in the ass to get working correctly.

MurmeltHier

@nasser

Late stage corporate internet... Thank you, I hate it. 🥴

Boba :butterfly_nonbinary:

@nasser dont be rude those poor chatbots need enrichment somehow. let her have fun

Fafner

@nasser Well, it's too bad their website is broken, looks like like they might have had useful information. Time to look elsewhere.

Jón

@nasser I'm sorry. I can't even be mad. This is over the top ridiculous. 🤡

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