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Now that is a real life concern. It's about to get REALLY EXPENSIVE to run your own Mastodon instance. Yikes!
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@markearnest @paul @HistoPol @fediversereport @fediversenews @Bluedepth @darren I think that's what's going to have to happen for smaller instances in order to remain economically sane and safe. @david @paul @HistoPol @fediversereport @fediversenews @Bluedepth @darren @juneussell Also just because it’s the right thing to do. I didn’t start a server to pipe marketing data to Zuckerberg. @markearnest @paul @HistoPol @fediversereport @fediversenews @Bluedepth @darren @juneussell That's the plan of Big Money. They want to find everyone, API them, and put them in their database. It's going to become an uncomfortable, sticky, mess and be super un-Federated friendly fast.  @markearnest Even if Meta’s ActivityPub host is not allowed access there will be ways to access nearly all of the posts because most are public and there is no encryption on private posts. Privacy will be a concern that must be handled by the ActivityPub protocols as it evolves. @paul @markearnest Given that servers hold everything in a database which admins can access everything there really is an opportunity to sell that data. We share these posts publicly, so there is no expectation that it won’t be used. It is easy to link my data together via LinkedIn, GitHub, Linktree, etc. It is fairly easy to build a profile and target users. ActivityPub is not a place for privacy. @brennansv fair point, but I see no reason why I should make it any easier for Meta. I’m assuming they will be a bad actor on the fediverse based on how they behave everywhere else. @markearnest We have to keep it open which prevents Meta from taking it over. This is like how Jeffrey Zeldman and others fought for web standards years ago to ensure no browser or company could own the web. Fortunately ActivityPub is a W3C standard already. The sudden interest in #Fediverse apps is going to reveal concerns (scaling, privacy) that must be handled. I am sure the community will come together to work on it all. @markearnest Fortunately there are now decades of work that can be used as a great reference from DNS to SMTP to HTTP/2. Many of these problems have already been solved so the solutions are there to be found. From what I have learned so far ActivityPub has been doing this already.  @david @markearnest @HistoPol @fediversereport @fediversenews @Bluedepth @darren @juneussell What happens when #TwitterMigragion users on Mastodon instances now, but have IG accounts, give up and just stick with the Meta's Fediverse with their Instagram accounts because it is more stable, more of their followers, etc. It will be a ghost town for smaller instances that block Meta. @paul @markearnest @HistoPol @fediversereport @fediversenews @Bluedepth @darren @juneussell Yes, and that's what happens when a good, open, idea gets exploited by Big Money. They aren't here to have fun. They are here to figure out how to either break you or make you join them. They can overwhelm just with the firehose of their data dumps from users. @david @paul @HistoPol @fediversereport @fediversenews @Bluedepth @darren @juneussell Like google with xmpp. Embrace, extend, extinguish  @paul @david @markearnest @fediversereport @fediversenews @Bluedepth @darren @juneussell Agreed. Another argument for defederating #MetasInstances. @david @HistoPol @fediversereport @fediversenews @Bluedepth @darren @juneussell @volkris I am self-hosted but have several dedicated accounts, including @hashtaggames where I play one game per night. We interact with several hundred users nightly from over 50 instances. I made the mistake of following people that follow that account, which is solely dedicated to the game. As a result, my instance data ballooned to over 50GB. I had to trim how long I retain data. Still at 30GB. @paul @HistoPol @fediversereport @fediversenews @Bluedepth @darren @juneussell @volkris @hashtaggames Ouch! That's another thing users who are not Admins, and who never pay, don't realize: Your stuff isn't saved forever here! There's a time limit and then it's gone forever. Unless you what -- bookmark or favorite a post -- then it doesn't get deleted? I can't remember. @david @paul @fediversereport @fediversenews @Bluedepth @darren @juneussell @volkris @hashtaggames Which remindes me, I should save my stuff here, too, as I did on the Birdsite. @HistoPol @paul @fediversereport @fediversenews @Bluedepth @darren @juneussell @volkris @hashtaggames The sad part is you can export your instance data, but not upload it into a new instance. Insane! I read that is something they are working on. Not sure how advanced it is or how it will play out but it is being discussed, at least. @paul @david @HistoPol Meta isn't doing so well these days...SO they're going the old school Microsoft route of Embrace, Extend & Extinguish. Be wary. Hopefully they decide to play nice, but I suspect it's more subversion than anything. Jack Dorsey had plans like that too. I HOPE it leads to a real expansion of the fediverse, BUT I suspect this is a ploy to end it. Future Money incentivizes this move. @antonioserrata @paul @HistoPol Big Money never plays nice. We've already seen this scenario and we likely know how it will end before it begins! This is an open space by definition and they're going to sit down hard in it until they're satisfied they've drained all the value they can take with them. @antonioserrata @david @HistoPol This reminds me of the murder of Usenet and the recurring attempted murder of RSS. @paul @antonioserrata @HistoPol I still mourn the loss of Google Reader. Feedly is a good replacement, though. @david @antonioserrata @HistoPol I use TheOldReader.com and have the app installed on my Android and even can post directly to Mastodon from within it. It is my godsend. @antonioserrata @paul @HistoPol There must be some idea of defense at play. There are smarter people than us in the Fediverse who must have anticipated this Big Money drop, right? @david @antonioserrata @paul @Gargron (2/2) ...technically and culturally annihilated, or rather, assimiliated by the #BorgSites. Ok, so I am not the only one thinking this! #EmbraceExtendExtinguish is the strategy, and thinking of the many other nice hardware and software technologies that were just acquired and then put into the locker is extensive. possibly: I was told that importing has been extensively discussed, but isn't really happening for a variety of reasons. Another person provided this link: Ok. I'm told the short answer importing isn't happening because it's a liability issue for Admins. Whatever that means. I've asked for the long answer. @david @paul @fediversereport @fediversenews @Bluedepth @darren @juneussell @volkris @hashtaggames "...but not upload it". I think I read that it is possible. Besides, with "software" anything is possible, in particular with #FOSS.--You just need to find one up-to-the-task programmer PO'ed enough that he solves that. It might not be available on all instances, though. @HistoPol @paul @fediversereport @fediversenews @Bluedepth @darren @juneussell @volkris @hashtaggames I just asked. I'll see what the answer is. I was told by my host that export is only there to satisfy GDPR requirements to "take your data with you" and that's where it begins and ends. Perfunctory in process only. @david @HistoPol Yes, I sent you several replies about it. It isn't going to happen officially in Mastodon. I read them as I was typing. I'm slower with my Parkinsons than people are with discussions and many times I am behind on the progress of the discussions. Got it! I'll remember that, thanks. Here's the long answer: Posts on one server may be fine, but importing them on another server might violate local laws due to hate speech, etc. Country to country, etc. That's the effect of the Fediverse: Not all local instance jurisdictions are created equal, so, no universal import option. Right now, an Admin can't take on the possible liability, but they're thinking about letting that happen in Mastodon itself. Ok, I can see that point. However, this will vary from country to country / jurisdiction to jurisdiction. This, in my understanding, is what the discussion about Section 230 is about in the US: "In the United States, companies that offer web hosting services are shielded from liability for most Yes, that's why there's such tight filtering on AI Image Bots. So many sick people out there trying to create all the wrong images. Could be said about #porn, in particular #bdsm and other "variants" as well. However, a fake video of #HunterBiden trying to shoot #TFG in the street might really be an issue on a whole other level. I recently listened to a #podcast on this. They can already fake any voice without it being detectable, provided that there is enough sample material. Deep fakes are real, and here -- and proving you didn't do it will increasingly become impossible. @david @paul @fediversereport @fediversenews @Bluedepth @darren @juneussell @volkris @hashtaggames Let*s see. I also had (originally) thought about migrating my #Birdsite legacy here, but decided against it. Not for technical reasons, though. Converting the data should be feasible, with some effort. @HistoPol @paul @fediversereport @fediversenews @Bluedepth @darren @juneussell @volkris @hashtaggames I agree with you! I guess it depends where you live and what international laws are at play. I don't know how WordPress gets away with allowing imports, but such is life, I guess. |
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