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David Boles

@HistoPol @paul @fediversereport @fediversenews @Bluedepth @darren @juneussell @volkris @hashtaggames

I just asked. I'll see what the answer is. I was told by my host that export is only there to satisfy GDPR requirements to "take your data with you" and that's where it begins and ends. Perfunctory in process only.

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Paul Chambers

@david @HistoPol
I think that is accurate as to why the export was added but the discussion is to add some kind of import. I saw a Github package that parsed the download archive, retooted with everything unlisted so it wouldn't spam the timeline but it isn't part of actual official package. I'll have to find the link later and tag you. It was just being tested and rudimentary. I don't think it will ever be added officially, though because of issues it would cause instances.

David Boles replied to Paul

@paul @HistoPol

Yes, I sent you several replies about it.

It isn't going to happen officially in Mastodon.

Paul Chambers replied to David

@david @HistoPol

I read them as I was typing. I'm slower with my Parkinsons than people are with discussions and many times I am behind on the progress of the discussions.

David Boles replied to Paul

@paul @HistoPol

Got it! I'll remember that, thanks.

Here's the long answer:

Posts on one server may be fine, but importing them on another server might violate local laws due to hate speech, etc. Country to country, etc.

That's the effect of the Fediverse: Not all local instance jurisdictions are created equal, so, no universal import option.

Right now, an Admin can't take on the possible liability, but they're thinking about letting that happen in Mastodon itself.

HistoPol (#HP) replied to David

@david @paul

Ok, I can see that point. However, this will vary from country to country / jurisdiction to jurisdiction.

This, in my understanding, is what the discussion about Section 230 is about in the US:

"In the United States, companies that offer web hosting services are shielded from liability for most
content that customers or malicious users place on the websites they host. Section 230 of the...

HistoPol (#HP) replied to HistoPol

@david @paul

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Communications Decency Act, 47 U.S.C. § 230 (―Section 230‖). protects hosting providers from
liability for content placed on these websites by their customers or other parties"

Similar laws are in place in at least some countries of the #europeanunion
So, no, this is a liability issue any instance owner should be looking into before opening it to users outside of his family.

It is not limited to toot imports.

@david @paul

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Communications Decency Act, 47 U.S.C. § 230 (―Section 230‖). protects hosting providers from
liability for content placed on these websites by their customers or other parties"

Similar laws are in place in at least some countries of the #europeanunion
So, no, this is a liability issue any instance owner should be looking into before opening it to users outside of his family.

David Boles replied to HistoPol

@HistoPol @paul

Yes, that's why there's such tight filtering on AI Image Bots. So many sick people out there trying to create all the wrong images.

HistoPol (#HP) replied to David

@david @paul

Could be said about #porn, in particular #bdsm and other "variants" as well.

However, a fake video of #HunterBiden trying to shoot #TFG in the street might really be an issue on a whole other level.

I recently listened to a #podcast on this. They can already fake any voice without it being detectable, provided that there is enough sample material.

David Boles replied to HistoPol

@HistoPol @paul

Deep fakes are real, and here -- and proving you didn't do it will increasingly become impossible.

Craig Nicol replied to David

@david @HistoPol @paul am I going to have to start cryptographically signing all my posts?

David Boles replied to Craig

@craignicol @HistoPol @paul

Not your posts -- your face and your voice! Where is Elon when we need cryptographic brain implants to sign our every thought?

HistoPol (#HP) replied to David

@david @craignicol @paul

Facial and voice recognition would be even worse, due to #identitytheft

Last year, I declined a good offer from a financial institution because I was only possible through video conferencing and authentication.

No go for me.

Nowadays, you cannot know what might be illegal next year.

David Boles replied to HistoPol

@HistoPol @craignicol @paul

You should try to verify your identity with Facebook sometime. They want a photo. Dated paper with your signature. Code numbers on the paper. Government ID. And it's all verified by a Bot and if the Bot can't read all that, you can't get back on because there are no humans looking at anything unless it's a special circumstance.

HistoPol (#HP) replied to Craig

@craignicol @david @paul

If that were be the case, I would not be posting anymore. At all.

Hundreds of thousands of people have suffered data breaches at the big SM sites.

If that info goes to a) authoritarian states or b) to (some) Red states and it is about abortion

...you are in really DEEP trouble.

When #Elmo tried to localize me through emphatically requesting that I enter my phone number, I decided to stay #twitterbanned

ABSOLUTE #dealbreaker IMHO.

Bluedepth replied to David

@david @HistoPol @paul I had an idea of turning TOTP into a kind of reality-proving mechanism for anti-deepfake videos. We use it for 2FA/MFA, but flipping it inside out it could be a mathematically derivable serial number that could prove reality and time stamp. But I’m just a nobody with a chatterbox brain, so pffft. ;)

HistoPol (#HP) replied to Bluedepth

@Bluedepth @david @paul

Sounds thrilling. But #DeepFakes are only my second concern.

With the increasing number of authoritarian #GreatFirewall countries and the sell-out of customer data on the #BorgSites, I am more concerned about being identifiable and subject to profiling.

David Boles replied to HistoPol

@HistoPol @Bluedepth @paul

I'm not sure why that bothers you -- because it's already happened!

David Boles replied to Bluedepth

@Bluedepth @HistoPol @paul

These are good thoughts and really important conversations to have!

HistoPol (#HP)

@david @paul @fediversereport @fediversenews @Bluedepth @darren @juneussell @volkris @hashtaggames

Let*s see.
Anything that can be downloaded can be uploaded again (in principle).

I also had (originally) thought about migrating my #Birdsite legacy here, but decided against it. Not for technical reasons, though. Converting the data should be feasible, with some effort.

David Boles replied to HistoPol

@HistoPol @paul @fediversereport @fediversenews @Bluedepth @darren @juneussell @volkris @hashtaggames

I agree with you! I guess it depends where you live and what international laws are at play. I don't know how WordPress gets away with allowing imports, but such is life, I guess.

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