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Charlie Stross

Seen via Reddit, an opinion about MilSF:

"Power Armor is basically a fursuit for people who want to be robots."

Parenthetically I can't help thinking about all the kinks implicit in spacesuits in general, once they go consumer. I mean, we already know about neoprene/latex kink and wetsuits, right? And spacesuits have all that plumbing down below *and* no touching allowed and, and ...

Spacesuits are the final frontier for bondage gear, amirite?

63 comments
Uilebheist 🏳️‍🌈

@cstross I'm looking forward to the day when wearing them is the norm. "Wearing a condom doesn't protect it from COVID. Wearing a space suit does. Practice safe sex"

Evil Roda

@cstross This is the best thing you've ever written. I haven't read any of your books, but how do you possibly top this?

acb

@cstross if people in costumes made of fur are furries, those in metal suits would be steelies, or perhaps tities or something

acb

@cstross I wonder if any mecha/MilSF fiction has concepts of mechabot refuelling/data-exchange/authentication/&c. protocols that are absolutely not robot sex, despite looking very much like it

mjfgates

@acb @cstross The game "Stubbs the Zombie" does this, and it is a thing of beauty. In a way.

Rafael Garcia-Suarez

@cstross this is basically the whole plot of Gravity’s Rainbow (if you add nazis)

The Lone Apple 🍎

@cstross People already take up too much space at BDSM clubs with their gear.

Skiriki Fyxe

@cstross Additionally, for the forced-orgasm kink crowd, there is quite a lot of space where to attach vibrators and other fun.

Gojiro

@cstross This is the hottest take on Have Spacesuit, Will Travel I have ever read.

Angus McIntyre

@cstross A spacesuit is really the ultimate chastity belt (*), if that's your thing.

And there's surely some significance in the fact that you can't get out of a spacesuit by yourself (**), so there's some mutual dependency stuff going on.

(*) Alternatively, it's the ultimate 'adult diaper', if THAT is your thing.

(**) Unless you're Barbarella, who pioneered the whole 'spacesuit striptease' fetish.

Angus McIntyre

@cstross Oooh, oooh, and I totally forgot the auto-erotic asphyxiation angle as well.

"We found him alone in his hotel room, detective. Wearing a full spacesuit. Now, do you think he was planning to colonize Mars, or was he just having such a good time that he didn't notice when his oxygen ran out?"

Charlie Stross

@angusm I'm seeing the movie poster now: "in space, no-one can hear you cum".

From the novelization: "distracted by the docking maneuver in progress, Major Tom wriggled his hips in frustration within the chaste steel embrace of his suit. He'd been in it for a week now and—yes, his rectal plug was vibrating again as it started another six-hourly enema cycle. He watched, gasping, as the two capsules' docking adapters kissed …"

(Typo alert: I initially wrote "dicking" instead of "docking".)

Angus McIntyre

@cstross I'm trying to UNSEE the movie poster right now.

I fear you may have unleashed something you cannot control, and I want you to go to your room and think about what you've done (*).

(*) No, not like that. Please God, not like that.

Uilebheist 🏳️‍🌈

@angusm @cstross You know how my eyes often see things which aren't there?
I read: "I fear you may have *unfastened* something you cannot control" and it seemed quite appropriate.

Uilebheist 🏳️‍🌈

@angusm @cstross "My spacecraft is full of steels"
I'll get my coat.

Seiðr

@angusm @cstross The fact that the human waste disposal facilities in spacecraft are suction-based is only making this just all the more awkward.

Rama

@cstross @angusm "Oh my God, it's full of porn stars"

Uilebheist 🏳️‍🌈

@cstross @angusm That. Is. Just.
I don't know.
Something.
Somebody should draw that poster.

Angus McIntyre

@Uilebheist @cstross I was about to ask Midjourney to draw the poster for us but then I realized that half the words I'd have to use in the prompt would get me banned from Midjourney for life.

So I decided not to.

Also, there's the issue of the mental scarring that would probably result from creating and publishing such a thing. All in all, it's something I'd rather not have on my conscience.

Uilebheist 🏳️‍🌈

@angusm @cstross Quite understandable. Note how I said "somebody should" and somehow failed to offer any help...

Rachel Greenham

@angusm @Uilebheist @cstross if you want it you’re just going to have to pay a real artist. For this? So much, *so* much money…

Angus McIntyre

@StrangeNoises @Uilebheist @cstross I'd pay them even more if they promise not to make it.

You know, we could probably start a GoFundMe to raise money to pay artists NOT to create erotic spacesuit fetish art. People will give to that (*).

(*) If they know what's good for them, they will.

Skiriki Fyxe

@angusm @StrangeNoises @Uilebheist @cstross

Well look at that, I happen to have a fully articulated spacesuit or seventy in my render library, along with tentacles and genitalia of interesting types plus a load of morphs and skins...

...Or, y'know, I'm handing out a begging bowl for my kitty's upcoming round of dentistry on Monday. 😂

Angus McIntyre

@Skiriki @StrangeNoises @Uilebheist @cstross So do I. And I have a day off, and a PC with a 3060 sitting next to my desk.

Don't start a war you can't win.

Skiriki Fyxe

@angusm @StrangeNoises @Uilebheist @cstross Yes, but I do have an adorable kitty (and three more on top of that). @cstross has seen them!

Nebulous Menace (Sandy B.)

@angusm @Uilebheist @cstross I think the moral here is "support human artists" but I may be just retreating from the images you present.

Eric A. Meyer

@cstross @angusm Suggested tagline edit: “In space, no-one can hear you cream.”

Rachel Greenham

@cstross @angusm you should never ask an actual astronaut about this. I’m sure they’ll be full of stories about how utterly unarousing the whole thing is…

Or they might tell you the other thing. And that would be worse! Oh so much worse.

Pouringlizards

@cstross @angusm the greatest sci-fi novel JG Ballard never wrote.

Charlie Stross

@pouringlizards @angusm I think Barry Malzberg went there? "The Falling Astronauts" maybe?

Steve Bellovin

@angusm @cstross To quote Tom Lehrer, “When correctly viewed, everything is lewd”.

Martin

@cstross for years, I found the idea of wearing a spacesuit offputting because I was worried about what would happen when my nose itched (I read somewhere that there's a small piece of velcro stuck to the inside of the visor for this very reason, but I've never seen anything to confirm that)

Cuprohastes

@cstross in the hot, pollen filled summer, I would like a spacesuit to cater to my kink of not being miserable.

Mike Curtis

@cstross what is it like if you fart inside a spacesuit?

Uilebheist 🏳️‍🌈

@janus @cstross You'll have hopefully purchased the special "forced ventilation" option before eating these beans.
$199.99 + postage from Alpha Centauri.

Miah Johnson

@cstross did you ever see that "The Universe" episode about the 2Suit, the space suit designed for sex in zero g?

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2suit

"The documentary described the 2Suit as "one small step for humankind colonizing the universe." The garment was presented as a utilitarian garment with multiple applications that serves the need for human intimacy and procreation by stabilizing physical proximity in microgravity environments."

Another Angry Woman

@cstross There's a Russian tradition dating back to Gagarin where cosmonauts pee on the wheel of the bus that took them to the launchpad. The old suit designs meant they could get their junk out and do it easily (even Valentina Tereshkova managed!). The new style means they have to carry a vial of their own piss with them to tip on the wheel.

chris@strafpla.net

@stavvers @cstross
It will be so much fun to explain this part of the process to aliens watching our spaceflights!

The Essence of Woerm Sin

@stavvers @cstross It wasn't until I'd finished reading that that I realised you probably didn't mean the steering wheel...

Aenea

@cstross There is just no way to make breath play safe, they said, before realizing a spacesuit with sensors would do exactly that.
Hummm, I'll leave now to write down a patent, ok?

Matthew T

@aenea @cstross Ummm, no, it doesn't. 😀 Space suits do not make breathplay safe, period.

Really this is a discussion for Fetlife! But no, no amount of sensors makes breathplay safe. For instance, pulse oximeters have a significant time lag.

Having said that people do talk a lot of crap about it. Some of it reinforces the forbidden fruit thing. The "closing argument" pseudo-paper people usually cite, for instance. A heart attack hours later isn't the main risk. The main risk for *most* forms of breathplay is literally suffocating. Which is extremely likely if playing solo, with *any* equipment, but can also easily happen with a partner if they are distracted.

Now if you're talking about controlled atmospheres... Well there are people on Fet who could advise on that. But I wouldn't recommend it; as a matter of basic physiology, the low-oxygen high happens right before you pass out. If that's what you're doing, you're always taking a risk.

Whereas the signal to breathe is mainly based on carbon dioxide concentration. Hence the more masochist end tend to go for bagging - which isn't safe either, but at least you do get some warning, which can result in struggling breaking bones etc, and again, any solo breathplay is dangerous.

Basically the somewhat-well-researched spectrum on this ranges from Jay Wiseman's "Closing Argument" (all breathplay is dangerous, some questionable sources), through to several people on Fetlife's Breath Play Safety board, who argue that e.g. strangling must be safe because martial artists do it all the time, and that breath holding must be safe because of "breath holding spells" (I'm not entirely convinced by even this argument, age matters). But at no point on that spectrum is breathplay "safe"!

Plus, specifically on space suits, not having easy access for first aid. But if your contingency plan is CPR, you need a better contingency plan; it mostly doesn't work (it's still worth knowing but the success rate is fairly poor unless you have an AED).

PS I'm not terribly happy talking about this on Mastodon. But when people say things like that ... Somebody has to step in.

@aenea @cstross Ummm, no, it doesn't. 😀 Space suits do not make breathplay safe, period.

Really this is a discussion for Fetlife! But no, no amount of sensors makes breathplay safe. For instance, pulse oximeters have a significant time lag.

Having said that people do talk a lot of crap about it. Some of it reinforces the forbidden fruit thing. The "closing argument" pseudo-paper people usually cite, for instance. A heart attack hours later isn't the main risk. The main risk for *most* forms of breathplay...

Aenea

@MatthewToad42 @cstross Thanks for your detailed response. From my side it was mostly a joke, but in any case I put it under cw because you are right, not the space to discuss this :)

barry dorrans

@cstross Just earlier this week I was lamenting that mastodon doesn't have the weird meandering threads that twitter does that go into humours or strange replies, building and building.

That was fucking monkey's paw thought.

Aaron ᐰ 🇺🇦

@cstross I really can’t think of Felix that way. Guess it’s time for a re-read of Armor.

Chris Hopkins

@cstross Combine that with the sentient spacesuits from the Culture universe and...

@CharleneTeglia

@cstross This is the content Mastodon has been missing, yaaassss

AMS

@cstross I'm having flashbacks to some page-and-a-half overly detailed boobs-boobily description of donning a MCP suit from some "classic" SF.

Killa Koala

@cstross In space no one can hear you scream ... your safe word.

Charlie Stross

@dshan Just snip out "you scream ..." and it's perfect!

IN SPACE, NO ONE CAN HEAR YOUR SAFE WORD

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