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Safi

Look at the example of Steam Deck for example... It comes with a Linux distro pre-installed and even though it can run Windows but still most prefer using what it came with and don't really care about customizing it or anything as such.

15 Jul 2022 at 13:51 | Open on fosstodon.org
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Safi

Normies simply use Windows, Mac, IOS, Android or Chrome OS because that is what comes with their device... If their device cones with a standard distro of Linux then they will use that.

15 Jul 2022 at 13:57 | Open on fosstodon.org
Safi

If most PCs today start shipping with a Linux distro then you will see how much of the Windows Market share comes down.. Why it does not happen because Microsoft has an absolute control over OEMs... That is how they grew in the first place and kicked all the competition out through bribing and predatory practices... Even OS/2 was not spared which partially had Microsoft code in it.

15 Jul 2022 at 14:01 | Open on fosstodon.org
m0xEE

@safiuddinkhan I don't think it's that easy. True, they use whatever OS came with their device, but most take the OS into account when choosing what device to get. I can't imagine a person who wanted an iPhone, but then went to the store and got an Android device. If they decide to switch, they do it before going to the store. So if most laptops come with Linux they just might look for the ones that ship with Windows.

15 Jul 2022 at 14:48 | Open on social.librem.one
Iska :emacs_thinking:​ :guix:

@m0xee @safiuddinkhan

Most people get iphones for the camera or status.

Had I told my mom that my cheap android can record calls (unlike her $1200 imonster) earlier she'd reconsider.

15 Jul 2022 at 15:02 | Open on mstdn.starnix.network
CyberSpook🇷🇺
Iska :emacs_thinking:​ :guix:

@cyberspook @m0xee @safiuddinkhan

At least the custom roms are usable. (while not giving everything to xi pingpong)

15 Jul 2022 at 15:34 | Open on mstdn.starnix.network
m0xEE

@iska @cyberspook @safiuddinkhan If you are willing to spend time on unlocking bootloader and installing custom ROM, I'm pretty sure you can get call recording on iOS too.
Also AFAIK call recording is illegal in some countries so it's disabled in stock ROMs.

15 Jul 2022 at 15:36 | Open on social.librem.one
Iska :emacs_thinking:​ :guix:

@m0xee @cyberspook @safiuddinkhan

thing is the call recording was in stock ROM

Also why would that be illegal. Isn't call recording useful for court?

15 Jul 2022 at 15:54 | Open on mstdn.starnix.network
MattZ
Call recordings' legality depends on the jurisdiction so even if it can be useful it can also be consequential.
15 Jul 2022 at 16:04 | Open on gleasonator.com
m0xEE replied to MattZ
Iska :emacs_thinking:​ :guix: replied to m0xEE
MattZ replied to Iska :emacs_thinking:​ :guix:
Many of the laws don't makes sense because they're a relic of past. Working with law is like working with patch works on top of patch works hence needing an entire profession dedicated to solving this patchwork of madness
15 Jul 2022 at 16:12 | Open on gleasonator.com
CyberSpook🇷🇺 replied to MattZ
@colinsmatt11
Bureaucracy stifles progress. That's one of the reasons Windows sucks. That's one of the reasons mathematics suck as well. All this legacy bullshit standardized by a central authority.
@safiuddinkhan @iska @m0xee
15 Jul 2022 at 16:16 | Open on soc.redeyes.site
MattZ replied to CyberSpook🇷🇺
Progress for the sake of it will also end in madness, and I prefer less of people be mad than all of them.

The nature of existence is to make compromises, the only thing you get to choose is what to compromise.
15 Jul 2022 at 16:18 | Open on gleasonator.com
CyberSpook🇷🇺 replied to MattZ
@colinsmatt11
How is progress for the sake of progress even related to this? It's a non-argument, I have concrete reasons to oppose stagnation. Neither do I care about upsetting people, I care about what I want first, about what others want second.

The nature of existence is to make as few compromizes as possible. The question is where to be less compromizable.
@safiuddinkhan @iska @m0xee
@colinsmatt11
How is progress for the sake of progress even related to this? It's a non-argument, I have concrete reasons to oppose stagnation. Neither do I care about upsetting people, I care about what I want first, about what others want second.
15 Jul 2022 at 16:21 | Open on soc.redeyes.site
CyberSpook🇷🇺 replied to CyberSpook🇷🇺
@colinsmatt11
But honestly, the nature of existence doesn't exist, it's a mental construct used to justify fixed ideologies and succumb people to the world of ideas. The thing is, ideological thinking is a kind of disease that paralyzes pragmatic thinking. That's why I don't have any concrete vision. To always be flexible and to not allow other people to force their interests on me, I want to force my interests first.

The nature of existence, the human nature, the meaning of life. All just nonsensical language games that try to reduce an infinitely complex multiplicity of existence into easily digestible ideas that dumb humans can understand.
@iska @m0xee @safiuddinkhan
@colinsmatt11
But honestly, the nature of existence doesn't exist, it's a mental construct used to justify fixed ideologies and succumb people to the world of ideas. The thing is, ideological thinking is a kind of disease that paralyzes pragmatic thinking. That's why I don't have any concrete vision. To always be flexible and to not allow other people to force their interests on me, I want to force my interests first.
15 Jul 2022 at 16:30 | Open on soc.redeyes.site
CyberSpook🇷🇺
@iska
Same issue as with forking Mastodon. Plus, it runs on a fucking Java machine, isn't Unix-like in the slightest and has a terrible tendency to restrict what a root user can do with every new fucking release while still requiring unlocking the bootloader to get such functionality, compromising security and voiding the warranty, so its hackability is still extremely limited while having a huge overhead in general and lots of security holes.
@m0xee @safiuddinkhan
@iska
Same issue as with forking Mastodon. Plus, it runs on a fucking Java machine, isn't Unix-like in the slightest and has a terrible tendency to restrict what a root user can do with every new fucking release while still requiring unlocking the bootloader to get such functionality, compromising security and voiding the warranty, so its hackability is still extremely limited while having a huge overhead in general and lots of security holes.
15 Jul 2022 at 15:46 | Open on soc.redeyes.site
CyberSpook🇷🇺

@iska
Also, due to Android phones not being full-fledged pocket PCs I can’t find some basic shit like (local) file converters and stuff. And the stuff that I do find is riddled with garbage PREMIUM TIERS. And no, there are no F-Droid alternatives I did search. Android in Windows of mobile phones, iOS doesn’t have this bullshit at the very least.
@m0xee @safiuddinkhan

15 Jul 2022 at 20:09 | Open on soc.redeyes.site
Dushman
Iska :emacs_thinking:​ :guix: replied to Dushman
Dushman replied to Iska :emacs_thinking:​ :guix:
CyberSpook🇷🇺 replied to Dushman
@dushman
Ugh… It's Termux. You're using GNU/Linux on Android essentially. Which just proves my point that GNU/Linux just offers more stuff.
@safiuddinkhan @iska @m0xee
15 Jul 2022 at 20:36 | Open on soc.redeyes.site
Dushman replied to CyberSpook🇷🇺
@cyberspook @safiuddinkhan @iska @m0xee
Well, why not use it too? It sure comes in handy.
15 Jul 2022 at 20:36 | Open on shitposter.club
CyberSpook🇷🇺 replied to Dushman
@dushman
Again, why not use some mobile GNU/Linux OS instead? It's even more robust than a terminal emulator.
@safiuddinkhan @iska @m0xee
15 Jul 2022 at 20:38 | Open on soc.redeyes.site
Dushman replied to CyberSpook🇷🇺
@cyberspook @safiuddinkhan @iska @m0xee
Why not? It's still quite clunky at this stage really. Not that I'm against the concept, it's just not very fleshed out as of now. LOS with termux and no google bloat is comfy.
15 Jul 2022 at 20:48 | Open on shitposter.club
m0xEE replied to Dushman

@dushman @safiuddinkhan @iska @cyberspook You can't get rid of Google bloat completely because a lot of stuff won't work without WebView. Replacing Google's implementation with Bromite is probably the best you can do at the moment. Mozilla tried to make WebView based on Gecko, but they've given up long time ago.

15 Jul 2022 at 20:56 | Open on social.librem.one
inference replied to m0xEE
m0xEE replied to inference

@inference @safiuddinkhan @cyberspook @iska @dushman But Graphene only supports Google phones, does it not?
Trusting Google with hardware and not trusting with software is a little weird 🤷

15 Jul 2022 at 21:49 | Open on social.librem.one
inference replied to m0xEE
@m0xee @safiuddinkhan @cyberspook @iska @dushman Not exactly. Don't be part of the FOSS cult and you'll be just fine. The reason GrapheneOS only supports Pixels is because they are extremely sane with security and allow you to even sign your own OS with your own key which at that point even Google can't get it, because it's yours, just like a PGP key.

Not a single other phone allows you to do that. GOS knows their shit, and it's the reason I only use Pixels. I want real security and privacy, not fairy tales. Fairphone even signs their OS with Google's publicly available test key... as their private signing key.
@m0xee @safiuddinkhan @cyberspook @iska @dushman Not exactly. Don't be part of the FOSS cult and you'll be just fine. The reason GrapheneOS only supports Pixels is because they are extremely sane with security and allow you to even sign your own OS with your own key which at that point even Google can't get it, because it's yours, just like a PGP key.
15 Jul 2022 at 21:53 | Open on plr.inferencium.net
GNU/neko :cursed_verified::makemeneko: replied to inference
@inference @safiuddinkhan @iska @dushman @cyberspook @m0xee

actually I believe OnePlus also allows custom signing keys (however not all models have an unlockable bootloader)
15 Jul 2022 at 22:21 | Open on bae.st
inference replied to GNU/neko :cursed_verified::makemeneko:
@roboneko @safiuddinkhan @iska @dushman @cyberspook @m0xee They do, but their implementation is very bad. Their recovery has SELinux set to permissive, making it useless, and it also fails to wipe the memory on reboot. It also has no HSM unlike Pixels, so you're relying on weaker TEE.
16 Jul 2022 at 8:50 | Open on plr.inferencium.net
CyberSpook🇷🇺 replied to inference
@inference
The magic is, the phone is secure… until you root it.
"Well, don't root!"
Not an option.
@safiuddinkhan @iska @dushman @m0xee
16 Jul 2022 at 9:20 | Open on soc.redeyes.site
inference replied to CyberSpook🇷🇺
@cyberspook @safiuddinkhan @iska @dushman @m0xee I'm focused on security, so of course I'm anti-rooting.

If you're not focused on security and want more freedom, sure, root it.
16 Jul 2022 at 9:26 | Open on plr.inferencium.net
CyberSpook🇷🇺 replied to inference
@inference
That's the flaw of Android itself, making root so insecure. It's the design issue. One would think getting root is a core functonality of an OS. Not on Android.
@safiuddinkhan @iska @dushman @m0xee
16 Jul 2022 at 9:28 | Open on soc.redeyes.site
inference replied to CyberSpook🇷🇺
@cyberspook @safiuddinkhan @iska @dushman @m0xee Linux hardening always includes restricting root access, regardless of Linux proper or Android.

root is, by design, the worst security flaw of Linux.
16 Jul 2022 at 9:29 | Open on plr.inferencium.net
CyberSpook🇷🇺 replied to inference
@inference
Root is flawed if there's no proper permission control system in place like sudo or whatever. Nobody suggests this.
@safiuddinkhan @iska @dushman @m0xee
16 Jul 2022 at 9:31 | Open on soc.redeyes.site
inference replied to CyberSpook🇷🇺
@cyberspook @safiuddinkhan @iska @dushman @m0xee Even sudo and doas are flawed.

I can give you a simple code block which can save your root password and feed it back:
https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/linux.html#root
16 Jul 2022 at 9:32 | Open on plr.inferencium.net
inference replied to inference
@cyberspook @dushman @iska @m0xee @safiuddinkhan root access via any means, on any Linux system, regardless of OS, is fatal. Game over. The end.
16 Jul 2022 at 9:33 | Open on plr.inferencium.net
inference replied to CyberSpook🇷🇺
@cyberspook @safiuddinkhan @iska @dushman @m0xee But you also get the hardened security of Android, including full verified boot, all apps sandboxing, and SELinux across entire system by default.

No chance on a Linux phone.
15 Jul 2022 at 20:42 | Open on plr.inferencium.net
m0xEE replied to inference

@inference @safiuddinkhan @cyberspook @iska @dushman You won't need Android app sandboxing in you've got no Android apps 😅
15 Jul 2022 at 20:47 | Open on social.librem.one
CyberSpook🇷🇺 replied to m0xEE
m0xEE replied to CyberSpook🇷🇺

@cyberspook @inference @safiuddinkhan @dushman @iska That's until you try using desktop Firefox on a phone. Believe me, it's THAT bad!
I have an old Lumia phone running desktop Windows 11 and Firefox is rather usable on it, but on e.g. Droidian it's clunky as fsck!

15 Jul 2022 at 21:11 | Open on social.librem.one
CyberSpook🇷🇺 replied to m0xEE
@m0xee
*uses Windows 11 on a phone*
Man, and I thought it can't get worse than Android.

@inference @safiuddinkhan @dushman @iska
15 Jul 2022 at 21:16 | Open on soc.redeyes.site
inference replied to m0xEE
@m0xee @safiuddinkhan @cyberspook @iska @dushman Don't have no privacy without sandboxing.

*Insert dumb... I mean smart person pointing towards head here.*
15 Jul 2022 at 21:45 | Open on plr.inferencium.net
Iska :emacs_thinking:​ :guix: replied to inference
m0xEE replied to Iska :emacs_thinking:​ :guix:

@iska @inference @safiuddinkhan @cyberspook @dushman What's the point in sandboxing if hardware has more holes than Swiss cheese? Sandboxing looks good on paper, but with all this Spectre/Meltdown shit, Apple has this Heartbleed thing… To me it's just a waste of resources security-wise.

15 Jul 2022 at 21:57 | Open on social.librem.one
grey@fosstodon:~ $ :idle:

@m0xee @safiuddinkhan exactly. I wanna switch from android to a fork like graphene or linage but my phone doesnt support it

And i dont have the proper hardware requirements to build my own os from graphene

15 Jul 2022 at 15:35 | Open on fosstodon.org
birnim

@safiuddinkhan I don't need PCs to start shipping with a Linux distro, I need PCs to be built with hardware that's supported without additional voodoo in all Linux distros.

15 Jul 2022 at 17:48 | Open on fosstodon.org
Safi

@birnim yeah like those no OS Dell, Lenovo and HP laptops I always buy those. They used to come with FreeDOS but now I have observed they come up with Ubuntu or something preinstalled.. They have an excellent support for Linux and no drivers issue in them..

15 Jul 2022 at 17:51 | Open on fosstodon.org
birnim

@safiuddinkhan > Normies

Seriously? Dude, you said you remember Slackware and pirated Windows software on CDs, this means you're old enough to know a good share of adequate words, why do you have to resort to weird millenial slang? 😂

15 Jul 2022 at 17:51 | Open on fosstodon.org
Safi

@birnim I am probably the last generation which used DOS as a mainstream OS back when I was a kid in the late 90s so yeah.. lool my mindset is different from the Gen Z.

15 Jul 2022 at 17:53 | Open on fosstodon.org
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