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 @Gargron I would love it to grow, and I think the Fediverse is a very important ecosystem. But to achieve that, Mastodon also needs to grow up with much better user safety tools. Especially things that some other platforms have, such as controlling who can reply or answer. I realise that's not necessarily that easy to implement, but I think that without it, a lot of people will no longer find this a safe (and fun) enough place. 34 comments
@ilijastuden @Gargron Your (any mine) experience isn't everyone else's. Listening how other people experience things here is mega important if you don't want to push people away.  @derickr @ilijastuden @Gargron I am curious because I’ve watched this happen a few times - the person being harassed doesn’t want to be harassed and doesn’t feel like they need to be taking actions to prevent it. For a person like this, who by design, is trying to establish a community, is it likely that they would be satisfied with a feature to restrict who can reply, or would we continue to see the same situation play out even with that feature in place?  @jerry @derickr @ilijastuden @Gargron There might be technical and user experience improvements we can implement to improve the situation, but the only way to fix this for good is to fix the culture. I have a modest following here (I had many more on Twitter), and I never see this kind of behavior directed at me. It’s unacceptable that anyone should be subjected to this, thick-skinned or not. We have to work together to make it socially unacceptable. @ramsey @jerry @ilijastuden @Gargron And provide the moderation and functionality tools to make this easier to do.  @derickr @ramsey @jerry @ilijastuden @gargron Veronica wanted to be able to post with replies disabled, or disable replies later if comments became too burdensome or horrible. Lack of those features left her unable to control her exposure to misogynistic aholes and has driven her off. This will continue to happen unless these safeguarding holes get fixed.  @ramsey @jerry @derickr @ilijastuden @Gargron At the moment we mostly can't even see it happening, due to the ways the current form of Mastodon is designed. It's also ridiculous to say that instead of implementing the feature(s) that have been requested *by the targets of Mastodon harassment* is not the right thing to do, but rather, we should change the soul of man. So much easier than implementing a feature or updating the protocol implementation for greater agency to good-faith users.  @ramsey @jpaskaruk @jerry @derickr @ilijastuden @Gargron It's all about increasing the cost of being an asshole. That can be done through both technical and social means, and they can be reinforcing. But both are necessary. @Crell @ramsey @jerry @derickr @ilijastuden @Gargron Silly me, I thought it was about listening to users who are being harassed and taking our cues from them. They've asked for one feature at least that seems like a very good idea to me - the ability to have only people you follow able to reply to you. It's 2024; we can do that. As I see it, it would involve an update to the protocol that rejected reply attempts, and have the originating server not keep the toot. Send in the freedom bros... @jpaskaruk @Crell @jerry @derickr @ilijastuden @Gargron We’re not arguing with you. We’re agreeing. @jerry 1/2  @RedRobyn @ilijastuden  @RedRobyn @ilijastuden @derickr @Gargron "Only"? What about Block&Report? In my experience moderators have been quite quick and responsive dealing with overt violations of server rules, and ready to defederate from instances that don't enforce those rules. But the mods can't do shit if you don't report. @RedRobyn @ilijastuden @derickr @Gargron You know that admins on your own instance can block or limit users on other hosts, and defederating from the offending instance will be discussed? Perhaps my experience with mods has been more positive than yours. @artemesia @RedRobyn @ilijastuden @derickr @Gargron On an individual basis one can domain block the instance hosting the harrassers. Um, if you're being let down by your own instance's admins, "just move" is the correct response, and only response. Enough people walk those admins might see the light. @artemesia @RedRobyn @ilijastuden @derickr This is great for weirdos like us who will happily spend all night writing software for antique computers that nobody will use outside of a few other weirdos. "Just move" is actually a reasonable thing to say, to me. But when @Gargron talks growth, he wants more normies to show up, and not just because their old home has been handed over to trolls. But exceedingly few here, it seems, actually understand normies at all.  @artemesia @RedRobyn @ilijastuden @derickr @gargron If the offending party is not on an instance with willing moderators, then all that does is hide their posts from you.  @derickr @ilijastuden @Gargron Unsafe spaces in social media apps run by billionaires are why millions of us left. Let's not make the same mistakes here.  Your questioning this need is putting your ability to reply to someone above someone else's desire to limit who they converse with. You don't get to decide if another person's need is valid or not. It's not about you. @tomjennings @derickr @Gargron Of course it's not about me. I asked for a perspective that I was lacking, and was show what I was missing. That's what conversations are for.  @ilijastuden @derickr @Gargron "I've never found a use for <thing> so <thing> is useless." The logic is impeccable. Let's apply it to other matters. I've never found online collaboration tools useful so they're useless. I've never found programming languages useful so they're useless. I've never found programmers useful so they're useless. Yep. It all tracks. The syllogism is sound.  I've heard a few bad things about pixelfed's project head, but I've heard more good things about the features they're implementing. I have an account from years ago that I've not really used, might have to check it out. Does it indeed talk to Mastodon the way you'd hope? When I was messing with it, it seemed not to.  |
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@derickr @Gargron Why limiting who can reply matters? Honest question, never felt need for it, and people who use these features are usually not fun in the first place.