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Robyn

@ilijastuden
One of the really important parts here is how the only moderation tool that's available to her to stop the harassment is to delete her entire post. Blocking the harassers does not stop them being able to interact with each other on replies on her post. And been unable to limit replies to followers makes alt accounts for harassers even more effective here.

@derickr
@Gargron

1 September at 22:58 | Wall-to-wall | Open on mastodon.nz
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Artemesia

@RedRobyn @ilijastuden @derickr @Gargron

"Only"? What about Block&Report? In my experience moderators have been quite quick and responsive dealing with overt violations of server rules, and ready to defederate from instances that don't enforce those rules. But the mods can't do shit if you don't report.

2 September at 0:50 | Open on techhub.social
Robyn

@artemesia
She quite specifically says blocking them does not stop them continuing to interact with each other on the thread. It only stops her seeing it
I understand that even if they can no longer see her posts they are still there, still seeing everyone else's and still visible to others. It's also potentially draining whack-a-mole work.

Reporting assumes that the harassers host admins give a shit. Anecdotally if they don't it can also lead to .targeting

@ilijastuden @derickr @Gargron

@artemesia
She quite specifically says blocking them does not stop them continuing to interact with each other on the thread. It only stops her seeing it
I understand that even if they can no longer see her posts they are still there, still seeing everyone else's and still visible to others. It's also potentially draining whack-a-mole work.

2 September at 0:57 | Open on mastodon.nz
Artemesia

@RedRobyn @ilijastuden @derickr @Gargron

You know that admins on your own instance can block or limit users on other hosts, and defederating from the offending instance will be discussed? Perhaps my experience with mods has been more positive than yours.

2 September at 0:59 | Open on techhub.social
Robyn

@artemesia
I have a small and relatively inoffensive account. But I listen to and believe victims of harassment. I think it's interesting that the most pushback I get is when I try to amplify their voices.
The short answer is no, not everyone gets a good response from their own admins, and no "just move then" is not helpful advice.

@ilijastuden @derickr @Gargron

2 September at 1:04 | Open on mastodon.nz
Artemesia

@RedRobyn @ilijastuden @derickr @Gargron

On an individual basis one can domain block the instance hosting the harrassers.

Um, if you're being let down by your own instance's admins, "just move" is the correct response, and only response. Enough people walk those admins might see the light.

2 September at 1:20 | Open on techhub.social
Robyn

@artemesia
I am not being let down by my own instances admin.
I am being let down by fediverse developers' refusal to make a tool that is requested by victims of harassment, vis the ability to limit replies to followers only. When we ignore such requests and instead lecture people that it is their fault , or their admins fault, for not using the moderation tools they have told us are inadequate, we are effectively victim blaming.

@ilijastuden @derickr @Gargron

@artemesia
I am not being let down by my own instances admin.
I am being let down by fediverse developers' refusal to make a tool that is requested by victims of harassment, vis the ability to limit replies to followers only. When we ignore such requests and instead lecture people that it is their fault , or their admins fault, for not using the moderation tools they have told us are inadequate, we are effectively victim blaming.

2 September at 1:31 | Open on mastodon.nz
Artemesia replied to Robyn

@RedRobyn @ilijastuden @derickr @Gargron

Without seeing the behavior you're referencing, it is impossible to analyze what would fix it. But I do take exception to your strawman assertion that there is no way for a user to handle shitposting replies save deleting their own post. Next time this happens, try calling out the shitposting in your own post, using the fediblock hashtag.

Meanwhile, you can set your own profile to automatically post "visible to followers only", or do that on an individual post basis. nerdschalk.com/make-mastodon-a

But I don't think you're arguing in good faith here, when you jump to assert victim blamind, and your back to back replies include:

"The short answer is no, not everyone gets a good response from their own admins"

"I am not being let down by my own instances admin."

I'm going to mute this thread now.

@RedRobyn @ilijastuden @derickr @Gargron

Without seeing the behavior you're referencing, it is impossible to analyze what would fix it. But I do take exception to your strawman assertion that there is no way for a user to handle shitposting replies save deleting their own post. Next time this happens, try calling out the shitposting in your own post, using the fediblock hashtag.

2 September at 1:49 | Open on techhub.social
Robyn

@artemesia
Further: the enough people walking? They ain't moving instances. They are moving to bluesky. Which I think is where this thread came in.
And the devs aren't seeing the light. They are seeing people enabling them by explaining the tools are fine.

And I believe we are worse off because this place is qwhite white. One of the glorious things about bipoc Twitter was being able to get an education on decolonising myself, just by shutting up and listening.

@ilijastuden @derickr @Gargron

@artemesia
Further: the enough people walking? They ain't moving instances. They are moving to bluesky. Which I think is where this thread came in.
And the devs aren't seeing the light. They are seeing people enabling them by explaining the tools are fine.

And I believe we are worse off because this place is qwhite white. One of the glorious things about bipoc Twitter was being able to get an education on decolonising myself, just by shutting up and listening.

2 September at 1:38 | Open on mastodon.nz
JimmyChezPants

@artemesia @RedRobyn @ilijastuden @derickr

This is great for weirdos like us who will happily spend all night writing software for antique computers that nobody will use outside of a few other weirdos. "Just move" is actually a reasonable thing to say, to me.

But when @Gargron talks growth, he wants more normies to show up, and not just because their old home has been handed over to trolls.

But exceedingly few here, it seems, actually understand normies at all.

2 September at 9:47 | Open on growers.social
Fish Id Wardrobe

@artemesia @RedRobyn @ilijastuden @derickr @gargron If the offending party is not on an instance with willing moderators, then all that does is hide their posts from you.

2 September at 8:08 | Open on social.tchncs.de
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