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Jon S. von Tetzchner

The Fediverse is unique.

My survey asked what your favorite search engine is.

51% said DuckDuckGo, 12% Startpage, 9% Ecosia and 4% Qwant. Only 6% said Google and 1% Bing. 17% said they preferred another search engine, with many mentioning Kagi and Mojeek.

This is quite different from what the market share out there is, which shows how unique you all are here in the Fediverse. You make your own choices and do not follow everyone else. Be proud.

#fediverse #Windows #Macos #Linux #Android #iOS #Computer #mobile #search #BigTech #Vivaldi @Vivaldi #Mastodon #Google #Microsoft #DuckDuckGo #StartPage #Ecosia #Bing #Qwant

The Fediverse is unique.

My survey asked what your favorite search engine is.

51% said DuckDuckGo, 12% Startpage, 9% Ecosia and 4% Qwant. Only 6% said Google and 1% Bing. 17% said they preferred another search engine, with many mentioning Kagi and Mojeek.

This is quite different from what the market share out there is, which shows how unique you all are here in the Fediverse. You make your own choices and do not follow everyone else. Be proud.

Тр3тий Сергеевич

@jon Not directly tied to Fediverse, but I find myself searching via DDG for some specific terms more often as Google just spits blurb of unrelated links.
@Vivaldi

Jon S. von Tetzchner

What is your favorite browser? Feel free to share why.

#Vivaldi #browser #Firefox #Edge #Chrome #Safari #Opera #Windows #Linux #macos #iOS #Android

Anonymous poll

Poll

Vivaldi
802
16%
Chrome
243
4.8%
Edge
101
2%
Safari
804
16%
Firefox
3,022
60.1%
Opera
53
1.1%
Other
643
12.8%
5,027 people voted.
Voting ended 19 November at 16:43.
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Григорий Клюшников

I use Vivaldi but I would really like to see more attention to quality. Breaking things randomly in minor releases and then taking half a year to fix them is not okay, guys. A public issue tracker would also help, instead of the scream-into-the-void bug report form. I understand that you've taken everything from the old Opera team, but this part should've been left behind.

Martijn Vos
Firefox right now, and pretty happy with it, but Vivaldi is increasingly starting to sound like a contender.
labria

@jon I’m currently trying Zen, which is FF inside and Arc outside, basically.
Re: why, I think Chrome is the new IE6, and we need more engines to keep the web open

Jon S. von Tetzchner

Are social media platforms that utilize algorithmic feeds inherently anti-free-speech?

In normal discourse, we all have a voice and we all have the choice whether to listen. In the algorithmic space, formulas are used to decide which voices to amplify and also which voices to de-amplify.

Here on Vivaldi Social (Mastodon), I see posts that people I follow post, including posts they choose to boost. No formulas needed. This is, IMHO, the closest to free-speech you can find, although there are some hate speech rules, which is IMHO a good thing. Basically the same as in normal, social discourse.

On Facebook I see posts Facebook thinks I want to see (and boy do they get it wrong), as well as a lot of AI generated nonsense. There are some posts in there that I am interested in, but most are not.

Twitter has turned into amplification of what Elon wants to amplify, mostly hate speech and misinformation. There are still interesting voices in there, but they are harder and harder to find.

What do you think?

#Facebook #Twitter #Mastodon #fediverse #SocialMedia

Are social media platforms that utilize algorithmic feeds inherently anti-free-speech?

In normal discourse, we all have a voice and we all have the choice whether to listen. In the algorithmic space, formulas are used to decide which voices to amplify and also which voices to de-amplify.

Here on Vivaldi Social (Mastodon), I see posts that people I follow post, including posts they choose to boost. No formulas needed. This is, IMHO, the closest to free-speech you can find, although there are some...

Anonymous poll

Poll

Agree
164
85.9%
Disagree
27
14.1%
191 people voted.
Voting ended 11 November at 13:13.
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Tim Chambers

@jon I'd agree that closed, proprietary algos definitely bless some speech and surpresss others. Studies show YouTube's algo recommendation drives over 77 percent of all video views. What I hope for the Fediverse is that most clients default to just a reverse-chron algo, but then also let USERS create, share and tweak algorithms, that they are empowered to use, or not use.

Tyrion 🐧🏴‍☠️

@jon

The pedantic in me notes that "algorithms" can be a bit vague (after all, old/new sort is an algorithm 🤓), but I do understand you mean the more modern, AI-infused ones, such as engagement, allowed narratives, sentiment (positive/negative, happy/angry), whether bigger/verified/famous accounts interact with the piece of content, etc. provided that the content itself is not hate speech or otherwise illegal.

One of the reasons I like Mastodon over lemmy/reddit is that here we do not have the negative interaction (downvotes) and therefore do not have a negative algorithm that plunges things to the bottom or auto-hides them. If someone is merely saying something like "I like drinking coffee with hotdog water" we can safely ignore them. If we feel strongly, we can reply, and that in itself can mitigate some negativity, as opposed to a downvote and making the person feel bad for their personal tastes. 🌭☕️

@jon

The pedantic in me notes that "algorithms" can be a bit vague (after all, old/new sort is an algorithm 🤓), but I do understand you mean the more modern, AI-infused ones, such as engagement, allowed narratives, sentiment (positive/negative, happy/angry), whether bigger/verified/famous accounts interact with the piece of content, etc. provided that the content itself is not hate speech or otherwise illegal.

Dave Rahardja (he/him)

@jon Depends on the algorithm.

Twitter used to show linear timelines. IIRC at one point they moved to a hybrid model where an algorithm would boost interesting tweets in your timeline that you were likely to miss because they were too far down. This kind of algorithm can actually lift marginalized voices that would otherwise be buried in the traffic.

But any algorithm that optimizes for “engagement” is likely to boost incendiary or plain false content because they get a lot of replies. Unless it’s paired with a content moderation system that stamps out intolerant speech—and it never is—such intolerance will get boosted for engagement.

@jon Depends on the algorithm.

Twitter used to show linear timelines. IIRC at one point they moved to a hybrid model where an algorithm would boost interesting tweets in your timeline that you were likely to miss because they were too far down. This kind of algorithm can actually lift marginalized voices that would otherwise be buried in the traffic.

Jon S. von Tetzchner

I have for the last 11 years talked about the problem with user profiling and algorithmic content. Creation of echo chambers and the ability to easily manipulate what people see for marketing purposes and worse. Even made a cat video to try to make the point. I wish more would see this.

The point is not for political parties to see the potential here, but rather to see the risk. The only way to fix this is to ban user profiling.

You have made a good choice to move the the Fediverse. It would help for more of your friends to join us.

politico.com/news/magazine/202

#Politics #fediverse #Mastodon @EUCommission #Privacy #Twitter #Facebook #USPol #USPolitics

I have for the last 11 years talked about the problem with user profiling and algorithmic content. Creation of echo chambers and the ability to easily manipulate what people see for marketing purposes and worse. Even made a cat video to try to make the point. I wish more would see this.

The point is not for political parties to see the potential here, but rather to see the risk. The only way to fix this is to ban user profiling.

Oliver Geer

@jon Thanks for this post - it's probably one of the two main reasons I chose to join Fedi. I know, however, that follower/following dynamics can cause echo chambers, albeit ones that are much more visible and less abusive than those subtly formed by profiling.

Do you have any advice for minimizing these echo chambers, or when an echo chamber may become a problem rather than just being a convenient portal to a common interest?

-0--1-

@jon @EUCommission I work with AI/LLMs alot. It is relatively easy to spot bias when it is spoken out loud; it's more insidious when things are hidden and omitted. Google Gemini and ChatGPT will not answer questions about White, Wealthy, Conservative Men. Google and the tech oligarchs have an agenda.

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Random Tux User :fedora:

@jon
Honestly, I still believe that crypto could be used as legitimate alternative currency that can be private and also act as a universal currency in the age of the internet.

However as you said, most crypto is no longer that. The issue is that there is no actual control on how much any crypto is worth at any given time. Even stuff like art follows the same story because of the same reasons. Instead of using it like actual currency, it's being used as an investment to make more fiat money

Russell Harrower 🎙️

@jon I disagree, look at coins like Litecoin that normally floats around the $100AUD you say it’s unstable and to volatile here the last 5 years and here is the USD to AUD it’s more volatile and causes more stress to Australian businesses who get bills in USD.

Cryptocurrency is the future, even governments and Federal Reserves are saying that.

Wulfy

@jon

Not a big fan of what crypto has become.
But I was enthusiastic about it earlier.
(Not early enough)

Especially the prospect of #NFT enabling distributed property titles and regulating the scam that are the stock exchanges. eg: short selling used as a weapon to destroy businesses.

I almost feel like folks who assert #crypto is a scam, haven't really looked close enough what the #banksters are doing with the economy, which currently is the alternative.

Go back to trading cows and chickens I say.

@jon

Not a big fan of what crypto has become.
But I was enthusiastic about it earlier.
(Not early enough)

Especially the prospect of #NFT enabling distributed property titles and regulating the scam that are the stock exchanges. eg: short selling used as a weapon to destroy businesses.

I almost feel like folks who assert #crypto is a scam, haven't really looked close enough what the #banksters are doing with the economy, which currently is the alternative.

Jon S. von Tetzchner

New release of Vivaldi on Android as well. Version 7.0. Big improvement here is the faster sync.

vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-on-an

#Android #Vivaldi #browser

Jon S. von Tetzchner

New release of Vivaldi on iOS. Version 7.0. Plenty of improvements, but an important highlight is the much faster syncing feature and ability to customize the main menu, the kind of thing you would only expect in Vivaldi.

vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-on-io

#Vivaldi #iOS #iPhone #iPad

Jon S. von Tetzchner

At the Oslo office we have this nice waterfall just outside the office. You can see it from the window. At night it is lighted up.

#Vivaldi #Norway #Oslo

Waterfall outside Vivaldi office in Oslo.
Arnel Šarić Sharan :verified:

@jon
Oh, that Oslo space complexes, with their waterfalls and all! 🫠

Jon S. von Tetzchner

I asked you what OS you are using on a daily basis. The survey allowed you to select more than one OS. These are the results:

There really are a lot of Linux users here. Happy to see that. Windows and Mac are similar in size. Android is larger than iOS, but not by a much in this survey.

A few are using ChromeOS, but there is an impressive 3% using other OS on a daily basis!

#Windows #macos #Linux #Android #iOS #Computer #mobile

36% Windows
35% MacOS
56% Linux
2% ChromeOS
40% Android
29% iOS
3% Other

9439 people participated.
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mkj

@jon The "other" is probably the Fediverse retrocomputing community plus those who use one of the *BSDs plus those whose retort is "Linux is a kernel, not an operating system". 🙂

Daron Brewood 🇬🇧

@jon I’d missed you could choose multiple options….. For me as well as MacOS I could have voted for iOS and iPadOS.

Jon S. von Tetzchner

What OS are you using on a daily basis?

#Windows #macos #Linux #Android #iOS #Chromeos #Computer #mobile #Vivaldi

Anonymous poll

Poll

Windows
3,407
36.1%
MacOS
3,264
34.6%
Linux
5,323
56.4%
ChromeOS
175
1.9%
Android
3,732
39.5%
iOS
2,780
29.5%
Other
284
3%
9,439 people voted.
Voting ended 7 October at 14:52.
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Bri'ish Cat :verified_gay: :static_heart:

@jon@social.vivaldi.net

Windows on my main rig
MacOS on my laptop
Linux on my other laptops and servers
Android for my main phone
iOS for my second phone

I just don’t have anything running ChromeOS ​:neocat_lul:​

felis_catus_domesticus

@jon bigger linux numbers than I was expecting

Jon S. von Tetzchner

Congress in the US has banned Copilot for security reasons. I would take it further. Really the way Windows is coded now, it is a significant security problem. The idea that it is unclear whether you are using local data or online data is unacceptable.

This includes:

- Login. Login should be local. You are not logging into a service. You are logging into a computer. The service should be separate from the computer.

- Copilot. Clearly another case where you may not realize that you are sharing data by asking a question.

- OneDrive. Another case where local data is backed up in the cloud, without active actions by you as a user. Backup is great, but you should have to explicitly enable it and there should be a warning that your data may be scanned.

- Windows. In reality even Windows is now a problem given the login issue and any tracking that is happening.

Online cloud services can be great, but one should never be forced into online services or lured into them. Any computer should work fine without having to use OS online services, except basic services, like updates and the like.

#Windows #Linux #Microsoft

reuters.com/technology/us-cong

Congress in the US has banned Copilot for security reasons. I would take it further. Really the way Windows is coded now, it is a significant security problem. The idea that it is unclear whether you are using local data or online data is unacceptable.

This includes:

- Login. Login should be local. You are not logging into a service. You are logging into a computer. The service should be separate from the computer.

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DELETED

@jon Since 2020, I've just made a switch to Linux full-time and as of this year I'm now locally backing up photos/videos to my own home-serve using the Immich project.

tsk

@jon Yes, but you forgot Outlook and its new grab-your-emails rubric. If you don't allow MS cloud to copy all your emails from local or other cloud services, then you can't get updates (and the program will keep nagging you that updates are available). #darkpatterns #microsoft

Jon S. von Tetzchner

There is a lot of reasons to love Mastodon and the Fediverse. One of them is the lack of algorithmic content. It does take a bit longer to get going and build up content providers, but not having a feed full of crap is all worth it!

It is time to invite more of your friends to join us. Invite to your current server or you can invite them to Vivaldi Social! Help them get going. They will thank you!

#Vivaldi #Mastodon #fediverse

Jon S. von Tetzchner

We at @Vivaldi continue to be the only browser company all in on Mastodon and the Fediverse.

We have made our own instance, Vivaldi Social. Any user that has a Vivaldi account for sync or other services, can easily enable a presence on Vivaldi Social.

We have integrated Mastodon as a Web panel into Vivaldi.

We include links to Vivaldi Social into Vivaldi.

We also work on integrating our blogs and forums into the Fediverse.

We hope others will follow. Mozilla has talked a lot and we hope they will join us fully soon.

#Vivaldi #browser #Mozilla #Linux #Windows #Android #iOS #Macos #fediverse #Mastodon

We at @Vivaldi continue to be the only browser company all in on Mastodon and the Fediverse.

We have made our own instance, Vivaldi Social. Any user that has a Vivaldi account for sync or other services, can easily enable a presence on Vivaldi Social.

We have integrated Mastodon as a Web panel into Vivaldi.

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Flaky

@jon Uh, I presume something happened to Mozilla Social?

Michael Gisiger :mastodon:

@jon @Vivaldi Great news, especially about the blogs. I already use Vivaldi as my goto browser. I will consider switching to vivaldi.social if you bring your blogs to the fediverse. A federated Ghost alternative with newsletters would be great. Write.as offers newsletters with WriteFreely, but only on their paid service.

tallship

@jon @Vivaldi

You're doing great things Jon, and the longer Mozilla takes to embrace the #Fediverse the better it is for #Vivaldi.

But there's some glaring misgivings here that are often raised by people. Half the #Fediverse isn't mastopub - you should really consider replacing that icon in the panel with the Fediverse Logo, or even the ActivityPub Logo instead of the one you've currently got in that sidebar - It's quite misleading, and people who prefer using the more full featured and capable Fediverse platforms such as Friendica, Mitra, Socialhome, GoToSocial, Takahe, The Pleroma and Misskey families of forks, smolweb Fediverse platforms like Bovine, SNAC, Tapir, and many more, ... These stalwart #Fedizens and #Privacy_conscious people shouldn't have to look at some exclusionary elephant logo that completely misrepresents and dismisses the fact that the masses of these people don't even use that platform.

These Fedizens most certainly should not feel forced into being pigeonholed into an association, in front of others, which implies that they use masto.

Here's an example of what our diverse world of #DeSoc's #Fediverse_Logo looks like - that elephant thingy really only offers an homage to one single platform, losing user market share more rapidly each day, in favor of a better and more complete user experience with superior networking facilities.

Wishing you and the team all the very best, and looking forward to seeing the #logo in that sidebar that more accurately represents the community at large, and is also much nicer looking :)

I hope you continue to shepherd the trailblazing innovation that Vivaldi has shared and introduced, and join now with the trending wave of sites replacing that tired old elephant graphic for either of the logos that more closely and accurately represents the unifying inclusivity and diversity indicative of the residents in our Fediverse.

#tallship #FOSS #Privacy #ActivityPub #Diaspora #Nomad #OStatus #ZOT

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@jon @Vivaldi

You're doing great things Jon, and the longer Mozilla takes to embrace the #Fediverse the better it is for #Vivaldi.

But there's some glaring misgivings here that are often raised by people. Half the #Fediverse isn't mastopub - you should really consider replacing that icon in the panel with the Fediverse Logo, or even the ActivityPub Logo instead of the one you've currently got in that sidebar - It's quite misleading, and people who prefer using the more full featured and capable Fediverse...

Fediverse Logo - standard, in color.
Jon S. von Tetzchner

I have been waiting for this moment. Every public broadcaster should join the #Fediverse and #Mastodon. IMHO, you should set up your own servers, but that is not hard either.

ebu.ch/news/2024/03/public-bro

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Werner

@jon
Hey! We're a lot of people here who has asked NRK (sent mail to NRKbeta) if they won't set up shop here. I'd love if you would chime in as well, who has some weight. An Ytring on NRK.no?

Piiieps & Brummm

@dw_innovation "nobody really cares about football"

Please tell your colleague, that this isn't true. I had to set up a filter to remove this topic from my feed. (Yes, I'm looking at you, @kontrollierterWahnwitz! 😉) Fortunately this is really easy and works really well.

@jon

Jon S. von Tetzchner

One of the first applications I made, when working at Televerkets Forksningsinstitutt, the research department of the Norwegian Telecommunications company, was a word processor for the ODA document format. Inside it we also had a mail client. X.400 based mail client.

Now I get the impression a lot of people actually do not know what a mail client is, so on to todays survey.

What mail client are you using?

If you have not tried the Vivaldi Mail client, yet, built into the Vivaldi browser, now might be a good chance to do it. Just saying.

#Windows #Macos #Linux #Vivaldi #Computer #Mail #Calendar @Vivaldi

One of the first applications I made, when working at Televerkets Forksningsinstitutt, the research department of the Norwegian Telecommunications company, was a word processor for the ODA document format. Inside it we also had a mail client. X.400 based mail client.

Now I get the impression a lot of people actually do not know what a mail client is, so on to todays survey.

Anonymous poll

Poll

Vivaldi
2
0%
Thunderbird
8
0%
Other
1
0%
Only using Webmail
4
0%
0 people voted.
Voting ended 3 March at 11:45.
Adnan 🦙

@jon @Vivaldi Gmail app on the iPhone is my most often used mail client.

Jon S. von Tetzchner

Does your browser have the following?

- Workspaces, tab stacks and tab tiles.
- Sessions panel.
- Mouse gestures.
- Quick command, including command chains.
- Extensive, customizable keyboard shortcuts, including single key keyboard shortcuts and spatial navigation.
- Built in tracker blocker and ad blocker.
- Built in mail client.
- Build in calendar.
- Built in feed reader.
- Page actions.
- Page capture.
- Web panels.
- Window panel.
- Placement of tabs on left, right, top or bottom.
- Themes with custom icons and editable UI.

If yes, you are using @Vivaldi. If not, how about giving it a try? 😀

#Windows #Mac #Linux #Computer #Laptop #browser

Does your browser have the following?

- Workspaces, tab stacks and tab tiles.
- Sessions panel.
- Mouse gestures.
- Quick command, including command chains.
- Extensive, customizable keyboard shortcuts, including single key keyboard shortcuts and spatial navigation.
- Built in tracker blocker and ad blocker.
- Built in mail client.
- Build in calendar.
- Built in feed reader.
- Page actions.
- Page capture.
- Web panels.
- Window panel.
- Placement of tabs on left, right, top or bottom.
- Themes...

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Expert Plus 🍀

@jon I prefer @Waterfox . Why?

It allows to auto-hide bookmarks, tabs, browser arrows&update the page button each individually, etc.

Also, #Vuvaldi doesn't let's me to watch higher quality videos then 1440p.

#Firefox , #Librewolf , #Waterfox do allow me to watch **without buffering** (on my HD screen it buffers) 4K videos.

On mobile, I can set a custom search engine, specifically in Firefox and Waterfox, but you can't do it in Vivaldi for Android. Synchronization isn't comfortable solution.

Joe Cotellese

@jon @Vivaldi whenever I’m sharing my browser window on a zoom call and do tiling or stacking people are like what browser are you using?

metallcorn 🐧

@jon @Vivaldi It's true, Vivaldi has it all, but I don't need it all that much. But I need a good browser with open source code and Google-independent engine. That's why #Firefox.

Jon S. von Tetzchner

By popular demand, we made Vivaldi available on #FlatHub. Are you using #Flatpak? Have you downloaded @Vivaldi yet? Did you tell your friends?😀

#Linux #Desktop #Download #browser

flathub.org/apps/com.vivaldi.V

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Jalmari Lähevirta

@jon @Vivaldi > NOTE: This package is not officially endorsed or supported by Vivaldi Technologies.
This statement made me stay on the traditional model.

Taggart :donor:

@jon @Vivaldi Thank you so much! I've been waiting for this for a looooong time.

:spinning_pinwheel: PreCosmos

@jon @Vivaldi Vivaldi is the best browser out there. It's a shame it's based on Chromium. Is there any possibility it will be ported to a Firefox Base?

Jon S. von Tetzchner

If you are on #Steam and you need something to do for the weekend, I have something for you to play with for FREE and AD FREE!

I love a great platform game and we have one for you!

#Vivaldi #Game #gaming #Windows #Mac #Linux

store.steampowered.com/app/262

Jon S. von Tetzchner

Does anyone have a reliable market share data for browsers?

StatCounter is a terrible site.

Would be interested in numbers for desktop, mobile and combined.

Just a note that @Vivaldi will not show up in the stats as we have to hide our identity to be able to use certain Google and Microsoft services.

If you have access to some major site data, please share.

🇩🇪 𝕳𝖆𝖑𝖑𝖊𝕬𝖓𝖉𝖊𝖗𝖙

@jon @Vivaldi It is not technically possible to determine reliable figures. It is possible to determine the browsers used per website, but even that is not always reliable. I think that the user numbers are published by the browser manufacturers on the basis of telemetry data.

Jon S. von Tetzchner

One day after launching Vivaldi on iOS, Vivaldi is the top iPad app in Norway and #5 on iPhones. Not a bad start at all. We are on the list in many other countries as well.

Make sure to share the great news with all your friends! @Vivaldi is now available!

#Browser #Vivaldi #iPhone #iPad #Norway #Android #iOS

Mathieu

@jon Oh that's such great news! I hope it just keeps growing!

nebula

@jon @Vivaldi It just has such a good interface and feature set. I’ve never seen custom filter lists in an iOS browser before.

I know all browsers here are limited to WebKit but this makes the experience so much more tolerable.

Erlend

@jon @Vivaldi It looks very neat! I like the design language even better than on Mac. ☺️
But I can't find a way to setup my search engine, kagi.com... 😔 (It's possible in Firefox on iOS - see image.)

If it's not currently possible, I'd love to see it added to the list! A tracking _and_ ad-free search engine should be right up your alley. ☺️

Screenshot from Firefox on iOS, showing you can add search engines.
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