@BrodieOnLinux Theres also no decorations on i3wm/swaywm. Which is kinda the point. I dont WANT decorations. Client side decorations just force them in an inconvenient way.

@BrodieOnLinux whilst most GNOME design decisions work well enough for my personal use case, I'm definitely keen for more strong competition in this space (opinionated batteries-included desktop environments)

Perhaps COSMIC, XFCE, KDE and others can see enough (Wayland) polish to at least give users viable alternatives, that way GNOME's design won't have the massive impact it currently has (and maybe they'll reconsider)

@BrodieOnLinux Looking on my Windows desktop (at work) seems like 80% of apps have client-side decorations. I gotta say the experience is quite inconsistent across apps, but most people won't notice the subtle differences.

@nonfedimemes
Makes me think of the, "In Xanadu did Kubla Khan a stately pleasure dome decree..." poem.

Hold on. I had to go look it up. Coleridge. All I ever remember of that poem is the note explaining that he attempted to transcribe it directly from a dream but was interrupted. I felt I could relate to that in my younger days. I held an idea that creativity was mysterious and dreamlike and had to be captured. I no longer hold that view. Dreams are great inspiration though.

@nonfedimemes Hey, Mendeleev said the periodic table was revealed to him in a dream!

@kotik Probably this character:

@kotik@mastodon.ml о, с возвращением, мы скучали ​:neofox_aww:​

@kotik
это мем? серьезно? и что, он даже смешной?

б-ть, ну все, пи_ц я старый - перестал въезжать в мемы.

@ptrc Fastmail (fastmail.com) is $25 a year, doesn't have ads or sell your info. Seems cheap in comparison to this.

@ptrc really? No option to ONLY show ads fullscreen? Bummer. 🤪

@ZachWeinersmith Hoooraaay!

@ZachWeinersmith Turing's other test, can you pass as a robot

@gsuberland I really appreciate the great conversation you kicked off here. So many good replies!

@gsuberland@chaos.social the problem is when you burn yourself from that so hard that your average 2 hours work finishes being 10 hours work and there are days you cannot function x3

@gsuberland sounds quite similar to one of my former colleagues with narcolepsia. She'd go on a 40 hour+ coding bender sometimes, then collapse and you wouldn't see her for a week.

@major is there the opposite thing? i.e. what if I want to get *out* of the business of running my own servers (for my own sanity)?

@major
And the guy who builds it is right here: @shollyethan 👍

@major@social.lol Great list! Though it misses some self-hosted applications I use. I'll contact them later and ask to add that self-hosted apps ​:meoww:​