 You could not attend the first #Panoramax monthly online meeting yesterday ? Here is the recording (with english subtitles) : https://peertube.openstreetmap.fr/w/nCz1ShqeRseQp5PHx686nw Main discussed topics were: More details on the shared pad: https://cryptpad.fr/code/#/2/code/view/U8d5lgxK-l1dLxBkROTVPmarY+nOhg+qlQzmnjWgAAI/ Every Door's major version is increased when I've spent more than four days on it, basically. Expect a lot of those next year! Yesterday we released version 20.2 of @vespucci_editor that's the 37th major or minor release that I've authored. Time to recap how we (currently) version the app. While we use semantic versioning, that is our version numbers are of the format major.minor.patch (actually we have a fourth field that is non-0 just for beta/test releases). This is not particularly meaningful for end user applications and more geared towards the use in APIs and libraries.  Currently the semantics 😎 we use are: major: new functionality, bumped typically once per year, currently synchronized with the age of #OpenStreetMap , saved state changes only happen for major releases. minor: new functionality, typically 3-4 times a year, at least once prior to August for the mandatory update of the Android version we compile against, which can be anything from weeks of work to harmless. patch: configuration updates and bug fixes.  @everydoor @pascal_n So there's no point in comparing EE with SCEE. Let alone with SC. SC is for newbies, SCEE has very helpful pictures and clarifications, ED is like a swiss army knife for little things (nature, street decor, little details) and data validation & updating (amenities, buildings, etc.) plus a great set of presets that, listen carefully, includes Wikidata and common brand entries! Unbelievably helpful in malls, e.g. not guessing whether "Yamamay" is clothing, lingerie or women's. Julien Osman presents Every Door tomorrow at @capitoledulibre open source conference in Toulouse, France! I guess it will be the first talk about the editor not in English! (please correct me if I'm wrong.) The event is free, but you need to register here: https://tickets.capitoledulibre.org/cdl/2024/ See the website: https://capitoledulibre.org/ While LLM output looks promising and true, there is always something wrong — and you won't find it unless you have experience in the subject area. For carthography AI is especially bad, because nobody writes proper documentation, so there is nothing to train on. Here are three examples of Ian's LLM photo-to-tags bridge integrated into Every Door. While opening hours detection works great, everything else... Can you spot what's wrong in each tag list?  @everydoor Yeah, not a big fan of AI determining truth and mapping it... However, the part about task-specific LLM helping with time consuming tasks (like inputting `opening_hours=*`, `email=*`, `website=*` etc.) sounds quite interesting, even if there are occasional false positives. (It should go without saying that even there it should only be used as an aid for human, and not let it run amok autonomously) Drawing maps with pen and paper is fun — and Every Door removes that completely! I mean, it was great going around and marking stuff on paper, but having to enter everything in JOSM when you're back home was daunting. Hence, everything we did on paper before, now is possible inside Every Door. It makes surveying so much more efficient and rewarding! And no more printing and wasting trees. Yup, only points. But when surveying outside, I still want to mark paths, fences, and streams that are hard to notice on satellite imagery. So, for lines the process is two-step: first, I make notes in the GeoScribble mode, drawing all those and sending to a separate database. And then I open a desktop editor and trace the lines properly and accurately. When editing a place, you can move its location from the mini-map at the top. But if the marker is red, it means it's a polygon. Happens with malls and detached restaurants. And buildings, of course. Polygons cannot be moved with Every Door: too many unseen dependencies you could ruin. #30DayMapChallenge Mental health and having free time are important, so I'm doing this #30DayMapChallenge low-effort :) Every Door can only add point features to @openstreetmap . Yes, even buildings: the author would argue that exact contours are less important than the count and the metadata, which often can only be collected on the ground. @everydoor you been able to do that with @vespucci_editor for nearly a decade. And @qfield does the non-OSMish bits. @simon @vespucci_editor @qfield I know! Isn't this exciting that we get more customizable multiplatform editors?
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 @everydoor I also hope Every Door starts supporting `addr:block`, `addr:suburb`, and custom `addr:place` values, so it becomes viable for collecting addresses in India. Currently, all our address mapping is restricted to Vespucci users.  @Yrrussaj @everydoor @tyr Its a feature that lets you freehand draw ("scribble") paths on the map with basic notes on your phone in Everydoor. Then you can uploaded those scribbles to properly trace and tag them at your computer in JOSM or now iD. Like a digital version of Walking Papers, if you know that GeoScribbles now available in iD editor as an overlay layer! More fun tracing streams and paths in weird places! Thanks to @tyr for updating the imagery list, and to @cvzi for spotting an unrelated issue that prompted the update.  @everydoor Wow, this is great, especially for plebs that don't know how to use Vespucci 😀 I'll be advertising this feature for sure. So given I've spent some time on @everydoor yesterday, I decided to also experiment with the ChatGPT tags suggestion API by @ian (https://image-to-osm.vercel.app/). A bit slow, but feels like magic. This will not go into production, of course. You can download an Android apk from https://github.com/Zverik/every_door/actions/runs/11012358490 (you need to be logged in to github). @everydoor @ian wouldn't old good machine learning alghoritms be enough for this limited dataset?  @everydoor that's super cool! It should be a bit faster if you can scale the image down to 1024px before uploading. @everydoor that is super helpfull for opening time signs as well, but it would be cool if a photo could also used to add tags to an existing point. I think you should also allow to enter an own openAI API key so the burden to decide about environment impacts is more on the user side. Today, version 5.2 was released! Nothing big, mainly preset and imagery updates: https://github.com/Zverik/every_door/releases/tag/v5.2 Google Play and Github are up, F-Droid to follow in a couple days, AppStore this week.  @gerg it feels great! Some great apps if you wan to do even more: @streetcomplete to gamify the process of updating this micro (data very accessible to new users) #sotm2024 @zverik showcasing the @everydoor four #mapping modes to catch in #openstreetmap everything you see, adding new objects or updating and detailing new ones Har varit på barnkalas i dag. Då jag inte röker gick jag, när jag tröttnade på volymen och att småprata med de andra föräldrarna, ut och la in några cykelställ och bänkar i #openstreetmap med @everydoor .  @lukasweidinger @hellenicsun @organicmaps @openstreetmap @everydoor Here's the difference between adding a bench in #OrganicMaps vs. #EveryDoor for example... Given we are all in to #OpenStreetMap history this month. Two factoids: - there are only four editing apps that pre-date OSM API 0.6 (April 2009) that are still in use: @josmeditor, Merkaartor, the original Potlatch from @richardf (continuing life as P3), and yes Vespucci. How do we know that? Somebody was complaining that the app wasn't working with API 0.6: https://github.com/MarcusWolschon/osmeditor4android/issues/2 - while is is surprisingly hard to nail this down, it is very likely that Vespucci was one of the 1st if not the 1st #OpenStreetMap related app on the playstore (then Android Market), how do we know that? Somebody was complaining that the install wasn't working: on June 10th 2009 https://github.com/MarcusWolschon/osmeditor4android/issues/26 @ticho I don't use StreetComplete myself (there's no iOS version at the moment) but I love using @everydoor to make small changes while I'm out doing whatever it is that I need to do. Going for a coffee? I'll have a quick check at the café to see if there is anything that needs updating. Often times, the opening/closing hours need updating.  @governorkeagan @ticho @everydoor Haha I just updated opening hours for a clinic I was waiting in :) Love doing those small updates when outside! |
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