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Every Door OSM Editor

Imagine tapping a link and seeing Every Door turned into a specialized tree collecting app, with taxonomy and rendering and presets.

Imagine scanning a QR code for a task in FMTM and your ED app shows the task boundaries, limits presets to features you need to collect, and shows a short manual on the process.

Imagine overlaying a mall plan before going in for indoor mapping.

Imagine surveying features to your own PostGIS server.

That is the future of Every Door.

github.com/Zverik/every_door/i

15 May at 12:49 | Open on en.osm.town
18 comments
watmildon
Kaizen po olsztyńsku

@everydoor
Can't wait for CityGML data plugin.

15 May at 18:31 | Open on mastodon.social
Simon Poole

@everydoor you been able to do that with @vespucci_editor for nearly a decade.

And @qfield does the non-OSMish bits.

19 October at 8:52 | Open on en.osm.town
Every Door OSM Editor

@simon @vespucci_editor @qfield

I know! Isn't this exciting that we get more customizable multiplatform editors?

19 October at 9:27 | Open on en.osm.town
Simon Poole

@everydoor no it isn't, because it makes them all less tenable.

19 October at 9:32 | Open on en.osm.town
Floris Bruynooghe

@simon @everydoor as a complete outsider I appreciate projects like Osm Go! And Every Door. Without them the step to quickly contribute small improvements is just too complex so that it doesn't happen. So I do think having multiple solutions do help the ecosystem forwards.
Of course, the flip side of having too much choice and fragmentation can also become a hindrance. But there is still so much room for innovation!

19 October at 10:21 | Open on mastodon.social
Simon Poole

@flub @everydoor while people don't like to hear this: things still need to happen in a space which makes at least a bit of economic sense and spending, virtual or real, $1000s per user per year for in the end a very small number of edits is just bonkers.

19 October at 10:29 | Open on en.osm.town
Ilya Zverev

@simon @flub

You're speaking as if we only have a small pool of contributors and money (haha), for which too many projects compete. Similar to what I've heard from Bryce.

While in reality, we have too few editors and too many people unhappy with options they have. Like, why does HOT rely on ODK instead of better OSM-based editors, or at least QField/MerginMaps? Why don't they come to you to tailor Vespucci?

This is not specific for OSM, but for all mobile apps ever. The pool is big enough.

19 October at 10:50 | Open on en.osm.town
Simon Poole

@zverik @flub well: we only have a small pool of contributors and money for which too many projects compete.

And in reality we can't even afford what we are doing now.

19 October at 10:54 | Open on en.osm.town
Ilya Zverev

@simon @flub

I agree (with "can't afford"), and that has been my point wrt OSMF for many years now.

There is a negative: OSM ecosystem is unsustainable on current funds, and we are extremely lucky to have volunteers who can afford spending their own time on software.

But take it from the other POV: we are starting to get much-awaited funding after spending two decades developing everything for free. This is a trend.

And with only 4 mobile editors, I woudn't say "too many projects".

19 October at 11:04 | Open on en.osm.town
Simon Poole

@zverik @flub

4 mobile editors (that depends on the definition could easily be more), plus at least 3 online editors, three desktop ones, and a dozen or so of assorted "editing in some fashion" apps.

19 October at 11:15 | Open on en.osm.town
Simon Poole

@zverik @flub and they are all fighting for a share of more or less stable 250'000 annual contributors of which max. 100'000 are repeat offenders and the actual regular user base is more like 50'000.

Not even pointing out that the actual unoccupied market share is less than that.

19 October at 11:23 | Open on en.osm.town
Floris Bruynooghe replied to Simon

@simon @zverik not sure you should look at the number of human editors as a zero-sum number. New or different tools reach new and different people.

19 October at 13:56 | Open on mastodon.social
Simon Poole replied to Floris

@flub @zverik the thing is they don't (at least that is what the numbers say), the users in "Every new editor gains thousands of users." are typically not actually "new".

Even SC only has a marginal effect on new contributor influx (and there is a lot to say about retention and long term impact there).

19 October at 14:03 | Open on en.osm.town
Ilya Zverev replied to Simon

@simon @flub

The main thing I don't understand, why do you all operate user counts? Is that one thing that matters? Like, you repeatedly suggested editors with most users should get funding, and that the problem is that the number of users is low, hence new editors make it even lower for older editors.

While the main thing that matters is the map. New editors make for different mapping. SC made people map road surfaces and crossing tags. ED makes POI data better. MC turns to other layers.

19 October at 19:33 | Open on en.osm.town
Giorgio Comai replied to Ilya

@zverik @simon Exactly! e.g. Vespucci for new buildings and paths and such, StreetComplete for random contributions on the go, etc. 99% of contributions I made with StreetComplete would have never existed without StreetComplete. I wouldn't bother e.g. opening Vespucci to check if stuff is properly tagged. But also: vast majority of stuff I added with Vespucci would have never been added if Vespucci hadn't existed, as I wouldn't bother sitting in front of a computer to add stuff from home.

19 October at 20:10 | Open on mastodon.social
Simon Poole replied to Ilya

@zverik @flub OSM as a whole has, very very, limited development (in a wide sense of the word) resources. How they are allocated is not irrelevant for the future of the project (and that doesn't apply to editing apps alone).

And while user numbers are just one possible metric for how well those resources are being used, I suspect it is the least controversial one.

19 October at 20:51 | Open on en.osm.town
Ilya Zverev replied to Simon

@simon @flub This reminds me of, "why do you map your own home when there are entire cities with no map?!"

OSM is primarily a volunteer-driven project, and you cannot make volunteers do things they don't like.

(I'd argue it is now a corporation-driven project, because they do have money and developers.)

Also, nothing happens in OSM by chance. You want it — you make it. Virtually no money or resources is "allocated" apart from 3 people we have employed. You want change — you go and make it.

20 October at 14:18 | Open on en.osm.town
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