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 @ionisland@mastodon.social There is no doubt. There's nothing they can do as a federated platform that they couldn't do before. Zuck might not deserve the benefit of the doubt. But a lot of people on his platform do. And in that sense having a barrier-free way for these people to interact with a more open web and breaking their isolation could be a huge boon. @lancehomer @Gargron @mosseri Mosseri mentioned they are doing this as a first step. I think they need to tune some stuff because their user amount is bonkers   @oliver @lancehomer I admit I'm a little suspicious that they started with this rather than the other way around. I wouldn't be surprised if they end up doing a lot of can-kicking before making Mastodon visible via Threads. @Gargron I haven't moved to Fediverse for Metaverse to extand its arms over my data here as well. The interoperability shouldn't result in the enforcement of the GAFAM economic model on all of us outside it. And I'm afraid Meta will try to impose it's logic on the whole Fediverse if we allow it. @Gargron @mosseri Please tell them to get their Ukraine news on Mastodon at @SocraticEthics yoooo! That's awesome, do we have to do anything special for them? I just tried to follow @officialvrchat@threads.net but I'm getting an SSL error  @Gargron@mastodon.social @mosseri@www.threads.net Let's go!! I'm excited that now I can connect with my favourite artist, photographer, and local news :))   @x @Gargron That seems like the idea, if it wasn't why would their test be one-way pushing to the fediverse, as opposed to open federation. It's obviously to push garbage in our faces and I'm glad I'm on an Instance that defederates from them preemptively. Even if I wasn't though I'd still block them and encourage anyone else who isn't brainwashed to do the same as well.  @x @Gargron @mosseri The screenshot I saw, each Threads post had a "View on Threads" button on it. This allows them to play games with dark patterns, something Facebook is famous for. So each Threads posts will be like an ad for Threads, and many people won't realize it. The effect may be to suggest those posts can only be viewed properly in Threads. Such dark patterns should be met with #fediblock.  @Gargron interesting, it seems as @IceCubesApp does have some issues showing this account. @mosseri  @FabianLaasch @Gargron @IceCubesApp @mosseri what do you mean when you say it has some issues?  @peterdutoit @FabianLaasch @Gargron @mosseri same as any other app, the profile will show without posts. But this is because it’s not yet importing posts. If you’ve got questions about what interoperability with #Threads means, we wrote this up back in July, and you can still refer to it: https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/07/what-to-know-about-threads/ @Gargron Eugen, I know I'm not the only one who believes that Threads will become the "MEGALOVANIA of the fediverse". If it happens billions (or milliards) of people will join. Gonna follow Mossery and even you on Threads. Also you can follow me on Threads @luiscgm20 Sharing the same excitement! I've been waiting for this!!! I don't want to go back to Instagram but there are people I can bother on Threads 🤣 Yaaay!
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Make no mistake, this is huge for Mastodon. Currently people have to choose between X, Mastodon, and Threads, and network effects play a dominant role in that choice. If we can say, you can access all the folks that went to Threads from a Mastodon account, that makes it a far more attractive option given all of its other perks 😉  @Gargron I, for one, am looking forward to this. It's one more nail in X's coffin. Some of my friends moved to Threads, so now I can follow them again. Others moved to Bluesky. I can't follow them YET, but it seems they're also trialling federation, so I might be able to soon. Pretty soon, anyone still on X and nowhere else is really going to start feeling the isolation.  @Gargron that's also my take. I am curious to see what Threads quote posts would look like on Mastodon though. (Still personally really excited about that roadmap item.)   @Gargron Also puts pressure on Bluesky (which has some traction in some German bubbles) to federate fast, too. @Gargron I’m really excited for this. I’ve mainly been using Threads because people I wanted to follow were more active there, but I’m way more inclined to spend time on Mastodon if I can see everything there at the same time.  Honestly Facebook has a lot to atone for before I will let them attempt to embrace and extend my corner of the Fediverse like they did RSS.   @Gargron This is awesome! I was able to follow @mosseri from my #Mastodon, #Misskey & #Pixelfed accounts! This is huge, especially when you consider many people, politicians & brands on #Threads will consider setting up their own instances under their own domain & connect with the rest of the #Fediverse! Also with prominent sites using #WordPress, we could see everyone from #NASA to the #WhiteHouse join the Fediverse (pending activation of the #ActivityPub plugin). @Gargron FB mines data from others (related users) than specific users. Does the same apply to Threads vs Mastodon? @Gargron one thing that just comes to mind is zombie accounts. Since #greedflation and the other atrocities I have #negativetrust in corporations. This means if they do something like this, I assume malice. Now I figured what could happen:  @Gargron the argument works also the other way round.  @Gargron this is a valid reason not to have a Threads account and just keep using Mastodon 🙂  @Gargron Ok. I’ll behave. You have to start with assuming good intentions. If actual #interoperability appears, where Threads users can find other ActivityPub users as easily as Threads users, and #Fediverse users aren’t made to jump through hoops to get followed in there, I’m all for it. If #Meta doesn’t send in it’s goons and exercise it’s immense monetary might to take over nonprofits and boards that decide the future of the #protocol, I’m all for it. Let’s see. 🕑 @Gargron freedom of choice is the key principle. I already blocked all Meta subnets on our pacifist mastodon instance because of the role of this company in promoting nationalism, white supremacism and even genocide in Burma, according to UN reports. I won’t block or silence communities who will act otherwise, and I hope that communities determined to keep evil companies outside of their door won’t be marginalized in the Fediverse, which is my greatest fear and an actual risk.  @Gargron I can relate to that. It is similar to "I can use LibreOffice but still interact with Microsoft Office".  @gargron Currently you have to choose between Pizza, Indian or Mexican. But with new Chicken Tikka Tamale Pizza… I just don't want Meta to scrape my posts and images that I put here. I want nobody from Meta to read what I post here *unless* I choose to connect with them. And even then, I want to keep control. Which I doubt is possible. Yes, I am on FB. But I do post very differently over there because I am aware of the total lack of privacy over there. Same goes for Xitter. @Gargron I don't care about interoperability as much as I care of having my social network experience free from corporate interests and all the data grabbing, LLM-feeding, "engagement"-driving, ad-selling, election-manipulating anti-democratic bullshit they bring in to inevitably ruin everything nice. So unless Meta is somehow deprivatized and transformed into an international, community-owned network, I will defederate.  @Gargron Some of my old twitter pals went over there. Excited to see their content again ^^  Not interested. Threads, like Meta's Facebook will be the engine of disinformation, replacing Twitter.   @Gargron my reason to be on the #fediverse is precisely avoiding the Zucks and the Elons... That's why I migrated my @mastodon.social account to an instance which preventively defederated them.  @Gargron @mosseri I think it's not a very good idea for long term. We dont want the Google -XMPP story again  @Gargron I'm pretty concerned that a business, multiple privacy condemned ad network that can't even respect the EU privacy laws opens itself with a great smile to its exact opposite. Does Mark embrace users to extend and extinguish ?  @Gargron @mosseri Is there a list somewhere of profiles on #Threads that the public can access using #ActivityPub ?  @Gargron @mosseri Still going to set up an account there, just so I can have a presence if it does take off, but really, I'm all in on Fediverse at this point.  @Gargron @mosseri For a moment there I thought @threads.social was another federation attempt, but seems like that instance is entirely unrelated  Hier ist eine Anleitung, wie man als Benutzer:in Interaktionen mit #Threads verhindern kann: https://digitalcourage.social/@freiheit/110667172855381984   @Gargron @mosseri Right, thanks for the heads up. Blocked the whole threads.net server straight away. #notinterested #bye 🤭 @Gargron @mosseri depends if you're into facebook, not gonna call them meta, getting access to the data of everyone who follows a threads account, which of course isn't desirable because we came here, among other things, specifically to avoid that. Also, what would happen if they pull a google on us and defederate when they got enough data, forcing the people who used the federation to meet cool people to make a threads account? are we ready for that? those are questions we should begin asking. @Gargron @mosseri Do you really advocate for Meta , who owns threads which is tied to Instagram, to access a user'sMastodon account? Threads seems bad enough tying Threads to Instagram and Facebook, adding non-Meta app seems a step too far to me. They'll get your personsl information anyway, but opening the door for them is too much.    @Gargron I wish half the fediverse wouldn't block it. To be honest the fedi sucks because of this and will suck even more, the more it grows. :( He points in his Bio still to his Twitter Account. I'm not sure if he really uses Social media. 😁 @Gargron @mosseri As we know we can't see much details about profiles on other servers and Mastodon suggests to visit original profile page. Now, if I wanted to see all followers of Threads profile, I go to Threads site and all I get is login prompt. Will this be addressed? Will it stay that way and we will get only limited info about Threads profiles (while Threads and any other user can browse Mastodon original profiles freely)? Is it enough to block #Threads from your account to do this: 1. Open that profile. @Gargron @mosseri i believe meta uses threads to censor people and do nasty things if this gets traction. The point of fediverse is to "break free" from corporate shackles. I don't trust non-free platforms especially Meta which is the worst offender in terms of users privacy. Meta/Facebook is a surveillance engine. #StallmanIsRight #FreeSoftware  I don't trust Meta coming to the Fediverse. They are bound to take it over and destroy it.  @Gargron @mosseri https://mastodon.ie/@davey_cakes/111578095588208885 Nope. Not a fan. I don't want the kind of people that support whatever makes money to have a toehold here.   @Gargron @lisamelton How do you follow his threads account? All I get is a web page and searching on both account styles in mastodon brings up nothing. Maybe my server has already defederated them?  This is really disappointing, Eugen. Meta's track record on human rights is so terrible, Amnesty International issued a report about their involvement in genocide: https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/ASA16/5933/2022/en/ This is the kind of company you're excited about working with? There is zero chance Meta is genuinely interested in interoperability, they just want to take over control of whatever community the Fediverse has built up. As Meta's CEO said, people who trust him are "stupid f**ks".  @Gargron They only want to data mine and profile you and your data - and everyone you communicate with's data. Bad decision to directly integrate with them.  @Gargron @mosseri How do you plan to properly protect users and combat dangerous hate groups like LibsOfTikTok? Groups which Meta are either unable or unwilling to keep off of the platform. And short of defederating how are smaller instances meant to keep up with the increased moderation workload that this will require?  @Gargron @mosseri One-way? I.e. you can read, but not interact? Many commercial platforms that had access to open protocols were one-way and stayed one-way. The idea is to suck people in who use the open protocol, and not give back. I remember the times where all important chat platforms from Google Talk to QQ were XMPP, and you could use essentially any XMPP client to talk to them, BUT they never did the interconnection with other XMPP servers.  @Gargron I think this will not end well at all. Didn't both Google & Facebook kill XMPP this way? |
@Gargron @mosseri@www.threads.net can’t wait to follow @wendys@threads.net from Mastodon. Need all the square burger memes I can get… 😜