 Google is trying to put the web in a cage in the same way they put your devices in a cage (Android, ChromeOS). There’s one really easy, simple and efficient way to fight them: uninstall Chrome/Chromium, use #firefox Do it. Now. – But I prefer Chrome because of… If you are not ready to sacrifice a little comfort (so little, Firefox is great) to save the web, then you don’t deserve a free web anyway. You are part of those killing it. Remove Chrome. Install Firefox. (with adblockers) 158 comments
@fenarinarsa@shelter.moe @ploum@mamot.fr I'm screwed. I have a Pixel, although I do use Firefox on my desktop computer. @xtof @ploum Open tabs with different contexts. Very very very very useful. Also "facebook jail" extension opens all Meta/Facebook sites in a specific "jailed" context from the rest of the web. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-account-containers/ @ploum @fenarinarsa @xtof does that mean it’s harder for Facebook to track your non-Facebook behaviour? ie when I do a search for “piano keyboards” on my local Music Store website I don’t go to Facebook and end up bombarded with ads for plastic music instruments? @fenarinarsa @xtof @ploum @theLUCASTDS You can get more info about firefox containers here: support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/c…
There is also a container plugin specifically made for isolating Facebook: addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firef… @ploum Or work to cripple the telemetry and undesirable features of Chrome. Firefox is introducing functionality where the browser silently disables plugins/extensions on Mozilla-specified sites.This makes me feel that "just use FF" isn't exactly a panacea. It's a choice of overlords.  @damnitjanet So you're complaining because Firefox, is indeed, unfortunately, not safe by default, although it can be made safer… The "functionality" you're mentioning can and must be removed But you're OK with making people work for free just to maintain google's monopoly, and get an imaginary "safety" by working "to cripple the telemetry and undesirable features of Chrome"… which cannot be achieved anyway, because by definition, users have no control over proprietary software… @damnitjanet The very own purpose of propietary software is to prevent third parties from removing undated "features", including marketing spyware, or adding needed features such as anti-tracking google is pushing DRMs into web in order to prevent ad blockers from working… which is a huge problem… much worse that all the shitty things Mozilla foundation has ever done (which is a long list…) @devnull Thank you for acknowledging my point. I'm not looking to get into a "this is better than that" contest. As I said, it's a choice of overlords. I'm well aware of Google, and indeed, work on a daily basis to make their BS work less. I'm also pretty familiar with software, too. Have a great day. @damnitjanet @devnull you're right, FF introduced this new 'feauture' in version 115. but you're able to disable this by running 'about:config' and set since then, no addons are filtered, that's the opportunity in FF to configure it your style @vanessacardui That's useful info, thank you. Truth told, I use both browsers. I just fscking hate it when I get someone up in my mentions trying to explain things to me I'm deeply aware of already. 😉  @ploum @intothetilian : I guess it is uBlock origin. I’m myself using adguard, having a lifetime account with them and being very happy. As a power user, I’m also using noscript to block every JS but those really needed.   @intothetilian @ploum uBlock Origin. It exists for Chrome, but it’s way more powerful on Firefox, because Firefox has not removed a critical API, unlike Chrome… @ploum « you don’t deserve blablaaaah » Listen we’re really on the same side of this issue, but you need to stop talking to people like this. Even I, Firefox user since it was still a little Bird, would want to get as far away as a a possible from a community that would use such elitist, bigoted, and kinda asshole arguments against users. @ombremad : Chrome die-hard fans are mostly tech-savy developers. I’m talking to them (which is my core audience on Mastodon) People which have the education to understand that Google is a problem but, yet, uses Google tools all the time. Yes, those people, the geeks, us. We are the problems. The people who don’t know which browser they are using? They rely on us, they are using what we give to them. We can’t blame them. @yo @ploum @ombremad Not to mention a serious lack of software diversity. Web standards have become way too complex. Making a new rendering engine work at all is already a tall order, so I don't even want to think about the work needed to make it fast. That means it is unlikely that we'll see a third rendering engine emerge anytime soon. The fact that even Microsoft gave up is saying something. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1345661 Solved ? Oh sorry : «Status: RESOLVED WONTFIX»  @ploum just switched from a Chromium based browser (Edge) to Firefox earlier today, what are some good adblockers?    @ploum@mamot.fr  @ploum firefox works well on android too, and with uBlock origin you can even have a very safe web experience !r  @ploum Firefox is great on mobile but SOOOO heavy and slooooOOOOOooow on low-range or outdated desktop devices 😩  @nitot @ploum @theolong très bon choix Peut-être lutter contre cette norme absurde *en plus* d'utiliser et promouvoir les adbloqueurs parait un bon choix ? @vincib @nitot @theolong : ptêtre qu’en fait, on a pas vraiment besoin d’aller sur ces sites ? Ça fait quelques années que si un site ne s’affiche pas correctement avec mes adblocks ou si il y’a des trucs trop envahissants, j’ai le réflexe de fermer immédiatement. J’essaie même pas. Sûr, c’est peut-être du contenu intéressant. Mais je ne manque pas de contenu intéressant.  Le mode "lecture" des pages dans firefox permet aussi d'y voir parfois plus clair sur ces contenus... @bituur_esztreym @nitot @theolong : J’ai remplacé Ninja Cookie par Consent-o-matic : c’est libre et ça fonctionne mieux. @ploum @bituur_esztreym@chapril.org @nitot Par défaut, je navigue en mode privé. Et quand je ferme le navigateur tout est remis à zéro. Mais quand j'ai des sites qui réclament obligatoirement d'installer des cookies, j'utilise l'extension "Cookie AutoDelete". Certes, c'est un effacement à postériori, mais souvent, je peux continuer de rester sur le site, même si je viens d'effacer les cadeaux empoisonnés fraîchement installés (c'est sous FF).  @bituur_esztreym @nitot @ploum @theolong I would recommend Ublock origin + umatrix. Some say that you can get similar functionality. PLEASE tell us the future of umatrix which will allow us to block all scripts in a table like fashion- @ploum I've never been good with the browser thing, but can you save and transfer your favorites (I have a crapload) into Firefox easily? I got Firefox downloaded, just not used to it, so I've barely used it. Otherwise I'll have to spend a while going 1 site at a time to save and bookmark everything (I'm also on Windows, if that helps).
@ploum NSFW in my view.  @ploum @silvereagle I’d almost argue safari on iOS devices and Mac is also a good choice…. Privacy first, if you’re paying for iCloud you have iCloud private relay… I like it @ploum I keep ungoogled chromium around for development purposes only, for anything else I use Firefox. Including mobile devices.   @ploum pretty much. I use Firefox for 99% of my browsing and it is more than fine. One the rare occasion I need to use a different browser, I usually don't return to their site.  The #proposal is pure, unmitigated #evil. The "#explainer" barely even tries to make it sound like it's supposed to help the #web #user, which of course it isn't. I wrote a short thread about it here. @ploum Also: containers are the most underrated feature of Firefox. They're fantastic whether you're a developer, a journalist, or just someone who wants a little separation to disrupt tracking.  @ploum Firefox on android has really nice ad blockers. Definitely a better Web experience than chrome! @ploum Kinda rich giving Android as an example, when Apple is right there. Also I run DuckDuckGo as a search engine, so what's the issue with Chrome exactly?  @ploum Firefox has its own privacy issues. They can be overcome, but why even bother when you can easily install a real privacy focused fork librewolf. @ploum Could you explain me what the cage will be? Reading the github page, I don't get it :( I’ve used Firefox instead of Microsoft’s Explorer/exploder (as I heard it called by someone) and duckduckgo as a search engine for years and have been quite happy. @ploum Ungoogled Chromium is what I rolled out for my work, over Edge which is mandated by work unless you wave "business case" in front of them to get admin options. UC works alright together with KeeWeb to store and sync passwords across Windows and Mac OS. *cough* Nope. You should be using #LibreWolf which has even tighter security and all the #Firefox bullshit turned off. And you can use all same #extensions as you currently use for Firefox. I use #Linux for work and #Windows for #gaming it works flawlessly on both. @ploum Can you give concrete examples of "Google trying to put the web in a cage in the same way they put your devices in a cage (Android, ChromeOS)", please? I use almost no #Google software, as I'm aware of some very negative impacts of Google but I lack concrete evidence that "Google is trying to put the web in a cage...". Please elaborat or just give links.  @ploum I would want to add that de googling chromium wont help , since the companies will soon stop making their webapps for firefox or testing it for firefox and hence apps may break on firefox , if the market share plummets ! As a web developer I have seen this happening first hand ! @ploum My standard installation of Firefox came with a Google search engine. You can easily change it to use duck duck go. Thank you @ploum ! Could you consider editing your post and adding a reference as to why Google is trying to put the web in cage ? (I know why, others may not) @ploum I am using brave browser since several years. It's stated, that brave will not be impacted by Manifest V3 – any ideas here?  @ploum same.goes with #Windows amd #MicorosftOffice / #Office365: The only winning move is to refuse to use that shit, cuz #AllGAFAMsAreEvil !  @ploum Firefox is jumping out of the frying pan into the fire; the Mozilla foundation is a scam. Vivaldi browser might be worth trying, but I haven't bothered yet. |
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@ploum Also, Firefox has containers ❤️