Gregory's ServerMeta: "MAY I JOIN YOU?"
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@davidrevoy Mieux que tous les mots, un dessin est tellement plus parlant !     @davidrevoy    @davidrevoy But that doesn't do death justice, Terry Pratchett has shown us how cool it is. :rm_love: @davidrevoy Very cute art, but I still have absolutely no care if Meta comes in or not. It has zero impact if they decide to make use of AP.
@davidrevoy Only then did i realize the signs around his neck...but now i cannot unsee my beloved Grim Reaper who would be actually more fun for the Fediverse when joining. HELLO FEDIVERSERSE. HOW DOES ONE WORK HERE?  @v_d_richards OMG I loved this sketch haha I could totally hear it in my head (from Terry Pratchett's audiobooks by Nigel Planer)! There's that Modern Seinfeld account, I'd love a Modern Discworld account 😂! @davidrevoy love love the art! Do you do these on commission? Can we support your awesome Fediverse-themed art? @22 @v_d_richards Hey, thanks! I don't do commission (to get the max time on Pepper&Carrot webcomic). You'll find on my profile links to support my work, thank you if you can :blobcatheart:  @davidrevoy magnifique composition qui démontre vraiment bien l'ampleur du problème d'accepter Meta/Facebook dans le Fediverse. La plaine en arrière-plan, avec les nuages grisâtres peuvent être lus comme les endroits qui ont étés détruits par la faux de Meta/Facebook.     @davidrevoy Am I misunderstanding the scale of the potential problem? Like, Facebook can set up their own instance, and then.....? I know that they want money and data (to sell for money), but does making their own instance give them access to data on other instances that isn't already public? Is the concern that a huge Facebook instance sucks up all the oxygen and new users who'd otherwise go elsewhere? I feel like the naive noob in the room. @TranshumanBlues @davidrevoy we should have pose it at every turn, is the main point. We can say that the fediverse is open for anyone, and that if you don't like it, you can just block them, or unfederated, but that doesn't solve the actual problem of evil tech corporations. It isn't enough to hope people will independently force them out. If we could do that, we would have done so already; they're too powerful, too wealthy. They need to be systematically strangled. @comradeferret @TranshumanBlues Well, imo the main issue would be about how a dominant player could impose their rules, their extension to the protocol, or become the only player with enough manpower to keep up with complex spec (spec they would push/lobby). A bit like the situation of dominance of email by gmail, Internet navigation by Chrome, word processors by Microsoft, etc... They know how to ruin something to their advantage for buisness, imo...  @davidrevoy @comradeferret @TranshumanBlues Exactly, they can make their own instance with features unique to it, they can make it most responsive despite having most users. They can make the sweetest app supporing only that instance, give it proper marketing. Lots of users would flock to them instead of trying to achieve the same on smaller instances and, once most users are on board, they might defederate others because, maintaining compatibility with others isn't cost effective, you know😩 @TranshumanBlues @davidrevoy - Possibly, such a development is part of the fear: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September Usenet was great before AOL users (and spam) flooded it. I assume that any social medium will automatically collapse and become crap if a certain user base has been reached. It is not the algorithms, it is not the commercial background, and it is not advertisement. It is a social thing.  @TranshumanBlues @davidrevoy @Andres @TranshumanBlues @davidrevoy - Very good comment, thank you. There was a time when different messengers could communicate. What a great loss! @allo @Andres @TranshumanBlues @davidrevoy But Meta never enabled federation with other XMPP servers, so I'm not sure it matters @nyquildotorg Also GTalk was federated until the end, but they didn't migrate to TLS when the rest of the XMPP-Network decided to disallow unencrypted connections. @Andres @TranshumanBlues @davidrevoy hot take: Google didn't do anything to XMPP. They built Google Talk using XMPP, but never used federation as a marketing ploy to get people to use it. Existing nerds who were already using XMPP are the only ones who ever knew anything about Google Talk supporting federation. When Google Talk shut down, every single XMPP user who knew what XMPP was was unaffected. And are still unaffected. 🤷 @TranshumanBlues @davidrevoy I’m with you in this one. There were quite many polls recently which results i didn’t quite understood. They will also not be as much in control over their users by keeping them in their walled garden. If it looks better on any other instance/service they will be able to just hop over. Im hopeful that the fediverse will profit of it, but maybe i’m just missing the bigger picture here…  @TranshumanBlues Facebook has shown time and time again that they will not do anything for the good of anything but itself, and should not be trusted. It is idle to speculate *how* their project would be bad for us when we can already be morally certain about *whether* it will be. That said, data scraping is one bad behavior, protocol h*ckery is another, and flooding out the timeline is expected. @TranshumanBlues oh and to your final point, yeah of course they'd want to keep everyone inside their garden, but I'm more interested by the implication that the fediverse population size is significant to FB; they must be getting desperate to maintain growth numbers  Context: The Cambridge Analytica scandal: AOC grilling Mark Zuckerberg on Congress (it's not a gotcha, he keeps trying to evade hard questions that he should answer): Facebook enabling genocide in Myanmar: > People just submitted it. I don't know why. They "trust me". Dumb fucks. @TranshumanBlues So it's not the risk that someone will take that data. Facebook will take it, process it and package it ready for consumption. For a comparison, let's say the data is Uranium. One could say: Oh hey, this is dangerous, we better keep that safe. Mark Zuckerberg sees it, calls the kremlin, and says: Oh hey, we found some uranium ore in there. Pay us and we'll enrich it and build a nuclear warhead for you.  @TranshumanBlues @davidrevoy it's multiple things. any server that federated with FB will send data of any posts it receives to FB as well as what's made. also you only need to look at what's happened to community spaces on the web since FB rose to realise that they will kill Fedi too, because their drive is monopoly of the attention market. letting FB in would eventually cause the death of Fedi. see what Google did to XMPP for reference @davidrevoy
this is so cool- but it makes meta look sick as fuck unfortunately:akko_giggle: super good though!    @davidrevoy these are straight up just high-quality shitposts, not that I’m complaining lmfao. @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org I dunno, I think we should trust them, they seem to have good intentions... /s   @davidrevoy jesus christ this art is way on point had a sharp inhale when i saw this appear in my feed, first i thought it was pretty cute or wholesome, then i saw the logos, and... yeah   @davidrevoy Oh my gosh, That's Scary! Yep I'm talking about Meta Joining. Not your amazing illustrations that I love big Time! @davidrevoy "but it's an open standard!" mhmyup, u wait for their disproportionate effect on the system; I'll stay campaigning against them at every turn. They haven't displayed a change in behaviour satisfactory enough to assuage my concerns yet. Call it paranoia 🙆🏻♀️ @davidrevoy this encapsulates everything one would think of during hearing the quote XD, love it!  Sure, but gee... Who put this wall here? Seriously though, I don't think I would mind being able to get my aunt's Facebook status updated on Mastodon without all the BS FB ads.  @davidrevoy hey, we've got at least one fediverse tank, we have a chance  @davidrevoy Facebook (I'm refusing to call them Meta) has done some good contributions to open source software. Not many, but it exists. I just want to believe they actually come in peace. I hope. I pray. Imagine they just federate Facebook and that's it. Wouldn't that be kinda nice? *shivers in fear* @fell @davidrevoy I got screamed at by someone for saying that it's fine that arch switches to zstd since the kernel already uses it
@fell @davidrevoy they don't. as a business they want a return on investment, and we will be that return @davidrevoy would you like it maybe featured on https://fedipact.online/ ? i really really like it @vantablack Thanks! Being featured in the anti-meta fedi pact makes me uncomfortable, and I can't point why right now. Maybe too early for me? Even if you can tell easily where I put my personal cursor in the spectrum of positions on the topic with this illustration. :blobowoevil: Probably just too early and not in my nature to sign pact, I think.
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@davidrevoy Why would somebody ask may I join you holding a sharp weapon? They should change the tool to a gluegun or ask may I slice you. Looks like one of those AI generated art. :1279_Smirk_Tomato:
 @davidrevoy the world is so broken that you must add a “#humanMade” tag on your work and grower must add “#organic” on vegetables 🤦 :blobhug: on you  @davidrevoy Awesome! And who is this beautiful fish with headphones on? @davidrevoy Plus que la mort, on dirait le Lich dans adventure time. @davidrevoy I love the expressions of the fediverse characters. They're all like, "OH F***!!".   @davidrevoy Dommage que ça ne soit pas la Mort du disque monde, on aurait pas besoin d'être méfiant @heubeck The metrics I have here are very different. That's a bug I see often in the Fediverse. @yannickdoteu @erikkemp Thanks for the photo and the link 👍 @davidrevoy But David, did you agree to your artwork being displayed in this way? And what if the artwork is sold? I am sure you know, but your copyright means only you decide how your artwork is shown in public places. 💗 |
@davidrevoy NO, you may not!