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Andres Jalinton

@TranshumanBlues @davidrevoy
Think about what Google did to email. SMTP is an open protocol like ActivityPub.
Now think about what Google did to XMPP, also an open protocol.
I bet your answer is "I don't know anything about SMTP or XMPP" and that's the problem, big companies "adopt the protocol" then after getting all the users onboard, they deprecate the open protocol using private APIs instead.

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Franz Philippe Bachmann

@Andres @TranshumanBlues @davidrevoy - Very good comment, thank you. There was a time when different messengers could communicate. What a great loss!

allo

@Andres
Meta itself used XMPP for its messenger and then killed it when it had enough users.

@TranshumanBlues @davidrevoy

Jer Warren

@allo @Andres @TranshumanBlues @davidrevoy But Meta never enabled federation with other XMPP servers, so I'm not sure it matters

allo

@nyquildotorg
But you were free to choose a client and you could avoid all the tracking code that corporates' apps have.
Not everything has to be federated to be open.

Also GTalk was federated until the end, but they didn't migrate to TLS when the rest of the XMPP-Network decided to disallow unencrypted connections.

@Andres @TranshumanBlues @davidrevoy

Jer Warren

@Andres @TranshumanBlues @davidrevoy hot take: Google didn't do anything to XMPP. They built Google Talk using XMPP, but never used federation as a marketing ploy to get people to use it. Existing nerds who were already using XMPP are the only ones who ever knew anything about Google Talk supporting federation. When Google Talk shut down, every single XMPP user who knew what XMPP was was unaffected. And are still unaffected. 🀷

Kermode

@Andres
And I still have my own email. Two domains.
You can stick handle around the bastards.

@TranshumanBlues @davidrevoy

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