Jack Dorsey explaining exactly why no single company should own a social media platform.
Jack Dorsey explaining exactly why no single company should own a social media platform. 167 comments
Call me crazy, but if I was in Jack Dorsey’s position, I would have converted Twitter into a consumer-owned and worker-owned co-op. Sell it to everyone who uses Twitter and works on it. That model works for many successful companies. @atomicpoet hypercapitalists see worker ownership/coops as borderline communist. They can't even entertain the idea, let alone contemplate the possibility of it working I just asked Jack Dorsey why he doesn’t donate towards helping ActivityPub. Will he reply? Because I really want to know 🙂 Here’s how Jack Dorsey want to monetize Bluesky: 1. Subscriptions @atomicpoet what about selling user data to AI companies. Wasn’t there an online therapy or suicide hotline company that did that? Jack Dorsey says he doesn’t believe a company should own a protocol platform and distribution. Glad to hear he regrets Twitter. Sooo… when will Bluesky connect to multiple nodes? Jack Dorsey says if AT protocol has a CEO, it fails. I agree. I guess Bluesky should decentralize soon. Jack Dorsey doesn’t want AT protocol to be capable of DMs. That means they’re probably not coming to Bluesky either. Here’s what I don’t understand: why does Jack Dorsey pretend that ActivityPub doesn’t exist? @atomicpoet I would tend to think because he believes he will get enough screentime to make with his own protocol, which will give home more control and therefore more opportunity to monetarize @atomicpoet ha! Had I read the posts before those, I would have been more puzzled an would not have come to this answer @atomicpoet@mastodon.social Easy: Because it's become an existential threat to his business, just like Linux against Microsoft. Jack doesn't want to participate in a distributed, open world. He wants an empire he can control. @yuki2501 @atomicpoet YUP. All the while pretending like he’s some kind of man of the people. Where have I heard this song before? @atomicpoet Because be wants to believe he’s “the only one”. His ego can’t allow him to not be in control. @atomicpoet Because he doesn't control it. People who build things with open protocols don't become worshipped as tech gods. They may become names recognized in communities, but they don't get rich. @atomicpoet a very normal symptom of a techie. Admitting that it did would undermine his own efforts. And if course, in his own head, he has a very clear picture of how his own stuff works but figuring out alternatives takes effort. @atomicpoet a borderline conspiracy theory I'm wondering about is whether Nostr was created solely to prevent the development efforts in decentralized social media from gathering around ActivityPub. In a "divide and conquer" kind of way. @atomicpoet He has a consistent stance about this since years: https://twitter.com/meduzen/status/1204858614789427207 @atomicpoet And there’s also this one where he says centralization is bad, but stilll the first decentralization move from Twitter was all about crypto: https://twitter.com/jack/status/1510314535671922689 @atomicpoet @noondlyt @atomicpoet well it is in a way because the *clients* get to decide not some central body @noondlyt @atomicpoet I guess that could lots of reasons one being a way to pay for costs associated with running an instance? @peterdutoit @atomicpoet "I think we need to think a bit more out-of-the-box here... in a world with infinite searching and indexing options, we don't need ads any more. Ads are not a solution, they are part of the problem. We really want the content, the products, the music, the articles, the poetry, the news, the opinions, the movies[...] and we need to pay for them to their creators... but there are many ways to do that without ads. Let's focus on those ways." @atomicpoet Ehm. Hard no. Because he missed 4 (and any Robocop fan will get a kick out of this). 4. Harvest everything and sell everyone’s private data… @atomicpoet at a minimum BS has to pay for itself, and I'm sure mister altruistic Jack wants the $15M+ he's sunk into this back. And the parallel from his comment here is BS is being designed so everyone can monetize (for a modest fee of course) @atomicpoet Which translates to exacty the same problems of commercialising attention. The business model is the message. @atomicpoet also Jack Dorsey realizing SM can't go live without a block option. @atomicpoet the only value of a social network is the people in that network. So yes, he sold us out. But he is right, it was his company and companies are always for sale. So unless we are happy about being traded as commodities, we shall stay away of the centrally commanded social network paradigm. @atomicpoet "It's your fault for believing I might have had any integrity to start with" @atomicpoet More specifically the publicly listed ones (/include some stuff about the Dell move e.g.). @atomicpoet First of all, he explains why one shouldn't make his company public and let the markets choose what this company does or doesn't do. @atomicpoet Or maybe why we shouldn't treat things owned by private companies as public goods? Is he subtly suggesting public ownership is the only sensible alternative? Reverse-enclosures? It really makes you think.... @atomicpoet In the venture capital game, the sell out happens at the very start when you accept venture capital. #vc #ventureCapital #SiliconValley #SurveillanceCapitalism #BigTech @atomicpoet I also don't think he understand what a lot of us mean by "sell you out", because "selling to the highest bidder" is well within my definition at least. @atomicpoet he quite literally sold everyone out and is describing the conditions of sale. @atomicpoet fascinating tbh, like, with that admission he's explicitly telling users that he'll sell this weird project to some rich fascist too. Like, bruh maybe that's actually a structural problem? @atomicpoet the government should designate Twitter and any company with such political bias and control, a public utility. Twitter is a succinct example why they should be. @atomicpoet strictly speaking he did "sell you out", the message just says that you should have expected it. @atomicpoet @atomicpoet I don't understand how/why anyone could attribute any merit to this person's mental function after this thread. https://twitter.com/jack/status/1012428138326851585 @atomicpoet Yes, this has always been why I'm wary of public companies. I respect companies who stay private and find ways to fund their endeavors without the enticing crutch of a public offering. Besides being more stable having complete control of their own destiny, it also shows a shrewd resourcefulness with their own finances that seems a far better marker of good leadership than the extremely short term benefit of public cash grab. @atomicpoet IOW he didn't sell them out by selling to Musk. He sold them out by going public. Which is why I call IPOs "dumping the company on the public". @atomicpoet Feels like Jack has been operating with a chip in his shoulder since he got kicked out of Twitter c-suite @atomicpoet Or explaining why public ownership of companies via shares is a form of aristocracy. Those with money can purchase control and use that power to further concentrate wealth. @atomicpoet , that actually explains why no one should use a social media platform owned by a single company. There's no need for regulation if users act in their own best interests. @atomicpoet jack dorsey sold everybody on twitter out A LONG TIME before he sold out to elon @atomicpoet awesome now people can post screen shots from twatter and blue balls instead of just twatter 🙌🏼 Ones without morals or ethics are probably. And they don't give a flying foxbat for their users, customers and staff. @atomicpoet Exactly. He’d sell #Bluesky to Tucker Carlson if the price was right. He probably will! Translation: "I am a spineless turd that can't admit I like money more than advancing human culture." I cant prove it since its long deleted but in 2010 Dorsey liked one of my anti-capitalist tweets, I called him out to put his money where his like button is and that like quickly vanished. I never got random unsolicited follows on that account again. I wish I kept screens. Billionaires: We would like to buy your network for these big bags of money. Jack Dorsey: OK. Eugen Rochko: Get the behind me, Satan. @atomicpoet oddly funny he recycled his old twitter avatar for his recycled twitter launch All social media should be considered public utilities and run under Net Neutrality rules. @atomicpoet @gedeonm To me, those first two sentences contradict each other. First sentence should read “Of course I sold you out.” @atomicpoet this reads to me "I didn't sell you out" "of course I sold you out, what did you expect?" @atomicpoet pathetic. Such an illiterate view on corporate governance. people in the digital space really need to wake up, rebel against those tech bros, and stop enriching them with private data. @atomicpoet This is just how publically listed companies work. Ultimately if someone is willing to pay over the odds for stock *coygh cough Elon* then people will part with it for the return. This isn't some personal failing of Jack's, literally what our economic system incentivises and is structured around. This is a brilliant example of why, if you're to participate in a market, you avoid public ownership like the fucking plague. Stay private. Start a co-op. ANYTHING but a publicly owned corporation. Sorry Jack, but you absolutely did sell everyone out. Specifically, the very moment you filed for an IPO. https://mastodon.social/@atomicpoet/110280336832217445 H/T @atomicpoet@mastodon.social @atomicpoet LOL. I mean, what?!!! You mean he never was some sort of all-knowing guru?! The man has an eating disorder, and if a woman, would've been called out on it long ago. People need to stop worshipping wealthy people as if they are wise and smart. I am guessing he wasn't that honest before the sale went through! :blobcatgiggle: Why does anyone trust corporations? Why do people attach themselves emotionally to money making machines? @atomicpoet also: no company should be publicly traded, >.> I don't get why he couldn't have made Twitter decentralized and FOSS while he ran it. This is why I don't trust him or #BlueSky. @atomicpoet I did not "do these outrageous things maliciously". All public companies do these outrageous things for money. Always. @atomicpoet And also technically forgetting the etymology of the phrase "selling out" as in selling your idea or band to investors for a profit once it becomes popular. @atomicpoet Please let’s stop waiting for the right sociopath to save us. Please let’s all try to remember that being clever about one thing & making a lot of money off it does not equate to having the wisdom to solve all humanity’s problems. Please let’s allow these would-be technocrats to just talk amongst themselves & have their willy-measuring contests in private — while the rest of us IGNORE THEM. |
But Jack Dorsey also still prefers that Elon Musk own Twitter instead of a bank.
Which is a wild thing to say knowing what we know now.