International poll, so please boost for a wider sample.
How many languages can you read (and, of course, understand!) without the help of an online translator?
Poll
Voting ended 25 Dec 2022 at 3:07.
rag. Gustavino Bevilacqua
International poll, so please boost for a wider sample. How many languages can you read (and, of course, understand!) without the help of an online translator? Anonymous poll
Poll
> 5
432
3.6%
4-5
1,922
15.9%
2-3
7,497
62.2%
1
12,057 people voted. 2,206
18.3%
Voting ended 25 Dec 2022 at 3:07. 105 comments
splicer
@GustavinoBevilacqua I can’t read French without frequently consulting a dictionary but you specified “online translator” so I counted it.
Ellie
How many languages can you read (and, of course, understand) without the help of an online translator?
Keri
@GustavinoBevilacqua would be interesting to see the results of a secobd poll with the same question, but tooted and boosted at a different time of the day (so it might reach people in other parts of the world).
Dr Grace Peng
@GustavinoBevilacqua are we counting human languages only? Because the answer would be higher if I also count programming languages
rag. Gustavino Bevilacqua
Instructions are on the billboard at Platform 9¾ at King's Cross station 😁
Elena ``of Valhalla''
@GustavinoBevilacqua @Crell oh, well. that's easier to get to than your average notice about the construction of a bypass over your house / planet.
Luis Crespo
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Luis Crespo
@GustavinoBevilacqua I think Romanian is a bit harder... if you write some Romanian text I can try to guess it.
Max, whispers to you too now
@GustavinoBevilacqua Perfectly understand it's 2, but understand simple texts, or generally understand more complex ones it would be 4-5 (I entered 2-3 in the poll)
Gwenaël Le Bras
@StrepsipZerg @GustavinoBevilacqua same here, it depends quite the language level. It's not quite the same to understand a basic newspaper article and a complex scientific text (which let me hesitate between 4 and 6...)
starfish
@gwenbras @StrepsipZerg @GustavinoBevilacqua I'd struggle reading scientific papers in my native language... I'm glad it's all in english 😅
rag. Gustavino Bevilacqua
@starfish @gwenbras @StrepsipZerg Scientificese is a totally different language 😁
Jennifer Moore
@gwenbras @StrepsipZerg @GustavinoBevilacqua Yes, I was thinking similar. With all except English, even if I can get the gist, there can easily be a word in the middle where I'm like "gonna have to look that up" :-)
Robert Brink
@StrepsipZerg @GustavinoBevilacqua Same here; Dutch native, English and German fluent, for French I need to look up too many words, so have answered 2-3. My wife also speaks Danish (plus understanding of Norwegian and Swedish) and Spanish, she could safely answer 4-5
Irina
I took "understand" to mean "understand what I'm reading" not "understand when spoken" (which would immediately bring my score down by about 75%)
Karl Voit :emacs: :orgmode:
@GustavinoBevilacqua I'd have been better to choose 1, 2, 3, 4, more because the difference between 2 and 3 is the most important thing I'm interested here.
rag. Gustavino Bevilacqua
I think to make another one next week, going into more details, like languages understood: this will end next Saturday. But feel free to make your own, if you're interested!
Pax Ahimsa Gethen 🏳️⚧️
@GustavinoBevilacqua I'm a US-American and not proud of it. Only fluent in English, so I selected "1" in the poll. Though I do know some Spanish (studied on and off for decades), a tiny bit of German (studied for a year in college 30 years ago), and have been doing French lessons on DuoLingo for about six months.
rag. Gustavino Bevilacqua
The definition of "US-American" is laudable :blobheart: and it's not your fault if you were born there. I've a friend for Argentina always stating "I'm American too!".
nomorsad
@GustavinoBevilacqua I I answered 2 language, but in fact I regularly use a dictionary for both
mborus
@GustavinoBevilacqua pretty hard to answer. I sometimes even look up English stuff, on the other hand, I do online translating into English because it usually gets better results. Also sometime look up stuff in my native language. So, while being able to read at least 4, the answer could have been 0. (And I also have to factor in that some languages are similar enough to read, like if you know Danish, Norwegian text looks like text with a lot of typos)
de biebeekhoorn / new acct
@GustavinoBevilacqua i voted 5+ because while i can only speak turkish english and italian, i can also comprehend written spanish french portuguese well enough (of course how one defines a language matters a lot, e.g. many arabic varieties are considered dialects of a singular language, albeit being just as variable as romance languages.. tho i'm quelling the linguist pedant side of me and going with the varieties politically considered to be languages :blobcatgiggle:)
rag. Gustavino Bevilacqua
Same for me: I can read some romance languages other than Italian (fr, es, pt, ca, oc), but when I must write them I prefer to help myself with a translator because I've a lot of issues with the correct orientation of accents.
orinbot reboostoot bot
@GustavinoBevilacqua Fluent in 3 but I can also kinda read russian and mostly understand it without a dictionary so just barely falling in the 4-5 category
CICCILLO
@GustavinoBevilacqua ho messo 4 o 5 ma non è vero, dipende dal livello di complessità del testo e poi sono molto pigro, quindi ogni tanto uso il traduttore, però mi è capitato di leggere interi libri in inglese francese e spagnolo, però non capendo proprio tutto.
rag. Gustavino Bevilacqua
Ti sei spiegato benissimo! Ricordo un film (mi pare con Chevy Chase, ma non sono sicuro) dove un canadese inglese deve andare nel Canada francese e studia su un manuale per turisti. A un distributore ha una conversazione banalissima in francese con un tipo, risale in auto e dice alla moglie: "Vedi che il manuale funziona?" E l'altro tipo, con lo stesso manuale in mano, dice la stessa cosa alla moglie 🤣
Roger Lipscombe
@GustavinoBevilacqua human languages? 1 and several bits. I feel confident enough in basic French that I answered 2 in the poll.
Kolinzkay
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Dr. Victoria Grinberg
@GustavinoBevilacqua it kinda depends on the level of "reading" - understand a news short text? Read a proper background newspaper article? Read and appreciate a literary text? That would each be different numbers for me.
rag. Gustavino Bevilacqua
I was thinking about an average toot, something between "look at my cat!" and a doctoral disquisition about the concept of mutual aid in writers after Bakunin.
Daisy ♾️ 🌼
@GustavinoBevilacqua 4-5: i speak dutch (mother language), french, german, english and i'm learning swedish 😋
Richard Bairwell (main)
@GustavinoBevilacqua Computer languages more than 5. Human languages (excluding all the en variants), about 3ish (I can get the gist of some of most of the latin script Indo-European ones such as French and German and some Japanese if it is in Romaji)
David GaladíEnríquez 🐀
@GustavinoBevilacqua comment on sample selection: you cannot expect many anwers of "one" from an international audience, because the poll is written in English. So, most answers will be at least 2-3. In other words, people knowing only their mother tongue, not bein this English, are not sampled.
Dean Eaketts
@GustavinoBevilacqua Only 1, i studied French at school but i've forgotten most of it now. But thinking of Japanese though.
Menno
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Torb 🦋
@GustavinoBevilacqua 4. It kinda feels like cheating since Swedish and Danish is very similar to my native Norwegian.
Torb 🦋
@GustavinoBevilacqua Sure, but they’re also extremely close to each other. Same language, but different variants of it.
rag. Gustavino Bevilacqua
Thanks for the clarification! I still don't know Norwegian enough to get the difference… even if I had some bottles of wine with this very nice artist (who spoke a good Italian).
Kyrre Sjøbæk
Norwegian is also kind of "a dozen languages in trenchcoat" situation tough. Or actually two trenchcoats... I think there are dialects within Norway that are further apart than e.g. some pairs of Norwegian and Swedish dialects.
Torb 🦋
@GustavinoBevilacqua @kyrsjo Disagree strongly with that description. Dialects are a perfectly natural part of languages! Sweden haven’t really taken care to make sure their dialects survive. That’s why they have way less diversity in that department.
Kyrre Sjøbæk
Of course they are a natural part of languages! My point was rather that the division into languages in Scandinavia has more to do with the political boundaries than how people actually speak. As an example, Swedish from Bohuslän is closer to my Norwegian dialect (from Oslo/Akershus area) than some western Norwegian dialects. Also, for people learning Norwegian as an adult, the variety of dialects can be quite bewildering.
rag. Gustavino Bevilacqua
Languages are mainly dialects with a bigger army… I live in Western Liguria, and every valley has its own variant of the Ligurian language (the most of them not even related with the language of Genoa, the capital).
Dyfustic
@GustavinoBevilacqua Does translator usage include "Look up single words"? Me: German (native), English, French, Italian,
rag. Gustavino Bevilacqua
Well, sometimes it happens to me to have to check a single word in Italian, too!
Sarah Fossheim
@GustavinoBevilacqua growing up in Belgium and then moving to Norway feels a bit like cheating here. Belgium has 3 official languages (Dutch, French, German) + we all learn English. Norwegian and Danish look almost the same written, and Swedish is similar enough to understand (especially since there are a lot of Swedes in Norway and they exclusively speak and write Swedish so it’s easy to pick up on).
rag. Gustavino Bevilacqua
One of the most fascinating languages in those surrounds is Lëtzebuergesch: not exactly German, but with a lot of French words. The perfect language for people living on the border of two large nations.
Veronica Olsen 🏳️🌈🇳🇴🌻
@GustavinoBevilacqua Perfectly understand, 4. Plus 2 more depending on the difficulty of the text. I selected 4-5 though.
Tasting Craft Beer
@GustavinoBevilacqua understanding as in, getting the gist of it, or detailed enough to make a literal translation to your native language?
Wille
@GustavinoBevilacqua @markrendle English, Swedish, German, Finnish, Norwegian, Danish, Spanish. Roughly in that order of confidence. Helps that Swedish, Norwegian & Danish are practically dialects of the same language while being classified as distinct languages.
clacke: looking for something 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛
@wfaler @markrendle @GustavinoBevilacqua Yes, being Scandinavian feels like a cheat code in this poll. 🤣
(5: Scandinavian, Scandinavian, Scandinavian, German, English) (or is that 4 Scandinavian languages?)
Pollomostro🐣
@GustavinoBevilacqua Comunque tutte le volte che c'è un sondaggio di questo genere c'è qualcuno che chiede seriamente se bisogna contare i linguaggi di programmazione (perché?) Allora se si devono considerare le comunicazioni uomo-macchina perché non contare anche il gattese? il canese?
Pollomostro🐣
@GustavinoBevilacqua Tornando più in tema, alcune lingue indoarie non hanno una grammatica difficile se già si conosce una lingua romanza (magari con un infarinatura di latino). Il problema per me è proprio il vocabolario. Ahah
rag. Gustavino Bevilacqua
Per esempio la costruzione delle frasi dell'arabo è molto più affine a quella italiana che non quella tedesca (o, peggio, polacca o russa). Poi il vocabolario è solo questione di memoria: a volte mi succede di dover usare un traduttore perché mi viene in mente un termine in francese o inglese ma non ricordo l'equivalente italiano.
Nicolai Ireneo-Larsen
@GustavinoBevilacqua My native language obviously. English, Norwegian and mostly Swedish.
rag. Gustavino Bevilacqua
But even to write correctly! I can ready many latin-based languages, but I have to use a translator to put the accents in the right places.
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@GustavinoBevilacqua ahaha i need help with accents in my own native language nowadays due huh to the internet and using english keyboard map :D
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@GustavinoBevilacqua ah shit just remembered another language i can read :D romanian, i always forget it's pretty latin-based
Dźwiedziu
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Grant Cruickshank
@GustavinoBevilacqua I'm being charitable even saying "1" here. Somedays I speak very bad England.
CasReadman
@GustavinoBevilacqua what's the level of the text? Also am I allowed a dictionary? Because I can get through a German wiki page with a dictionary to look up some words.
Caroline Ball
@GustavinoBevilacqua @martinvermeer I feel like this is a ‘out yourself as English’ type of poll. 😞
rag. Gustavino Bevilacqua
@heroicendeavour @martinvermeer Not at all. If I made the same poll in Italian it wouldn't have the same diffusion. But next week I'll make some "localized" polls.
Caroline Ball
@GustavinoBevilacqua @martinvermeer No, sorry, I meant, I would imagine the majority of those answering ‘1 language’ are native English speakers, because we are AWFUL at just assuming everyone speaks English snd therefore we don’t need to learn languages! 🤦♀️
Caroline Ball
@GustavinoBevilacqua @martinvermeer The number of ‘shout if they don’t understand you’ fellow citizens I have seen on my travels…
rag. Gustavino Bevilacqua
@heroicendeavour @martinvermeer 😄
MacLemon
@GustavinoBevilacqua What about non-writable languages like any of the many sign-languages? They are fully featured languages after all.
rag. Gustavino Bevilacqua
Uhm… yes, I think it would be possible to toot a video with sign language.
StatusSquatter :squat: 🍫
@GustavinoBevilacqua due secco non c'era? Quale sarebbe la terza? l'avanzo di quello che si capisce dallo spagnolo più l'avanzo di un po' di francese? Effettivamente 2/3 :D
petrisch
@GustavinoBevilacqua beeing swiss helps alot as well. I mean, technically there are quite many forms of swiss german to understand, if one wants to travel from village to village. On the other hand i guess that not even counts as a 'one'.
Sion [main]
@GustavinoBevilacqua Feeling horrible anglophone for answering 1, but the truth is that I need translation for 20--50% of words for the other 3 I'm not completely lost in.
Nikolaus Tarouquella-Levitan
@GustavinoBevilacqua @breadandcircuses if you take language learning seriously, you will never waive good translating tools. The better your knowledge, the more sophisticated your tools.
Keiþ 🔭
@GustavinoBevilacqua I am embarrassed to say 1. I expect that English speakers from the UK and US are probably amongst the worst. |
@GustavinoBevilacqua >without the help of an online translator
what about offline translator or dictionaries :akkoderp: