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Aral Balkan
The biggest roadblock to my adopting this as a daily driver at the moment is the lack of secure messenger (e.g., Signal) https://www.reddit.com/r/PINE64official/comments/jthjkx/signal_messenger_on_postmarketos/ (This isn‘t Pine64’s fault; it’s due to Signal’s policies over which platforms they support and which they don’t.) 48 comments
Aral Balkan
@blackfire Unfortunately (again because of Signal), it doesn’t interoperate. Sadly, Signal is about as closed as open gets.
Aral Balkan
@blackfire Basically, if you sign up for Axolotl using the same number, it breaks your Signal account.
Aral Balkan
@blackfire Update: axolotl apparently doesn't work on Postmarket OS according to this: https://wiki.postmarketos.org/index.php?title=Axolotl
Mathijs
@aral @blackfire I host a matrix server with a signal bridge, which works quite well. Of course that bridge has access to the plaintext of signal, but since that runs on my own server in my home I don't mind.
jokeyrhyme
@aral I've been contemplating trying out FluffyChat ( https://fluffychat.im/ ) However, it took so long to get this small portion of my friends/family to use Signal for me (whilst they still use Facebook Messenger amongst themselves, urgh), that getting them to move to yet another thing seems like an uphill battle FluffyChat does seem to have a web app and a native Linux app
Sr. Estegosaurio
@jokeyrhyme @aral FluffyChat is a nice Matrix client. And yeah convincing people to switch from crappy services is a challenge. Good luck with that. :)
calebjasik
@aral if you want an encrypted matrix client that’s almost sure to work, you could use https://matrix.org/docs/projects/client/hydrogen; it’s optimized to runbon anything over having a wholly complete feature set. i’m uncertain that matrix has the same metadata privacy controls as signal does, but they are also working on a p2p solution that runs a local Dendron server; https://matrix.org/blog/2020/06/02/introducing-p-2-p-matrix/ though i’m sure you’ve heard of all of this 🤷
Aral Balkan
@calebjasik Yeah, Matrix is just too complicated for me to get my simple little head around, sadly.
calebjasik
@aral mmm i think it’s similar to other federated platforms like mastodon, no? you can get a quick account via https://chat.mozilla.org and signing in with a Firefox account if you have one, mozilla irc transitioned to matrix a couple of years ago: https://matrix.org/blog/2019/12/19/welcoming-mozilla-to-matrix/
Aral Balkan
@calebjasik Thanks. I mean, I have taken a look at it. It’s overly complex and I’m not a fan of extreme complexity. I find it quite unusable. Also, not happy that they have VC (https://www.matrix.org/blog/2019/10/10/new-vector-raises-8-5-m-to-accelerate-matrix-riot-modular) while appearing as “a foundation.” Smells very Mozilla. So I’ll be steering clear.
calebjasik
@aral fair. i always wondered how hard it would be to implement chat over activitypub, though i don’t know what allowance there is in activitypub for e2ee 
Csepp 🌢
@aral @calebjasik They seem much more privacy conscious than Mozilla. Can't comment on the protocol complexity, but I use about three clients regularly and they cover most functionality I want. Check out Nheko if you want a nice pmOS-friendly client, it's basically on par with Element.
calebjasik
@csepp @aral btw, google funds nheko if you didn’t know https://matrix.org/blog/2020/09/09/gsoc-report-adding-features-in-end-to-end-encryption-for-nheko-reborn hmm i can’t find more info tho? i remembered google strongly funding the project…
Clayton
nheko also works really well on phosh, and supports viewing/attaching media, etc. And e2ee seems to be working reliably in DMs and rooms. 
Farshid Hakimy
@aral Just in case you decide to try it out: this ansible playbook makes installing and configuring the server and bridge a lot easier https://github.com/spantaleev/matrix-docker-ansible-deploy
arbocenc
And what about @delta ? I'm using it on my #pinephone and I can reach all of my contacts, because it uses #email, and they don't need to install #deltachat to receive and send me messages...
Aral Balkan
@arbocenc That does look interesting. Will definitely have a play with it, thanks. (Mind you, it has taken years for folks to finally start signing up for Signal so… *sigh*) But yes, will check it out :)
nuttua
@aral @arbocenc @eivind @delta I'd be interested to learn what you think of Delta. Very user-friendly but how can email be secure? Also, how about Threema? Seems wonderfully secure to me - I can't actually find anyone to chat with. But it has a Linux client, it can be used anymously, even without a phone nr, and on Android at least it's light on the battery. 
Delta Chat
@aral On top of Delta Chat as e-mail messenger you might find https://webxdc.org interesting -- web apps shared in a chat -- isn't it strongly related to web0 / small web ideas? :)
Aral Balkan
@delta I very much did find it interesting and yes, it absolutely is. In fact, we should have you on Small Is Beautiful to talk about it if you’re up for it (we stream every third Thursday… next one’s 21st of July if you’re free) :)
Aral Balkan
@delta PS. https://owncast.small-web.org (the link to Small is Beautiful there has past recordings, although I have to get the last few up on the site still when I get a moment) :)
Daniel (CactiChameleon9)
@aral I self host synapse and the mautrix-signal bridge to use signal on mobile linux. It works really well! (I have actual signal installed on my android tablet, but you can do bridge only)
Netto Hikari 🇩🇪🇯🇵❤️🇺🇦
@aral I personally think, an alternative to Signal is necessary. I think the devs are really toxic and Signal's UX is far from being on par with Telegram's UI / UX (I know, Telegram bad). 
minecraftchest1
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Gregory's Server
Also Dino(XMPP Client) works very well on mobile.