@aral if you want an encrypted matrix client that’s...

@aral if you want an encrypted matrix client that’s almost sure to work, you could use https://matrix.org/docs/projects/client/hydrogen; it’s optimized to runbon anything over having a wholly complete feature set.

i’m uncertain that matrix has the same metadata privacy controls as signal does, but they are also working on a p2p solution that runs a local Dendron server; https://matrix.org/blog/2020/06/02/introducing-p-2-p-matrix/

though i’m sure you’ve heard of all of this 🤷

Like 27 Jun 2022 at 11:48 | Wall-to-wall | Open on mastodon.social

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Aral Balkan

@calebjasik Yeah, Matrix is just too complicated for me to get my simple little head around, sadly.

27 Jun 2022 at 11:55 | Open on mastodon.ar.al

arbocenc

@aral @calebjasik

I don't think @matrix is specially complicated. You don't need to setup a new instance, just create an account and choose and app like #fluffychat , #elements or even a terminal client.

You can also use a #telegram - #matrix bridge to communicate with your telegram contacts.

27 Jun 2022 at 13:03 | Open on todon.nl

Devin Prater

@arbocenc @aral @calebjasik @matrix We have complete Terminal clients for Matrix?

27 Jun 2022 at 13:17 | Open on devin.masto.host

χaʀⱱøs

@devinprater
Yes, there's gomuk
@arbocenc @aral @calebjasik @matrix

27 Jun 2022 at 13:23 | Open on nixnet.social

calebjasik

@aral mmm i think it’s similar to other federated platforms like mastodon, no? you can get a quick account via https://chat.mozilla.org and signing in with a Firefox account if you have one, mozilla irc transitioned to matrix a couple of years ago: https://matrix.org/blog/2019/12/19/welcoming-mozilla-to-matrix/

27 Jun 2022 at 13:44 | Open on mastodon.social

Aral Balkan

@calebjasik Thanks. I mean, I have taken a look at it. It’s overly complex and I’m not a fan of extreme complexity. I find it quite unusable. Also, not happy that they have VC (https://www.matrix.org/blog/2019/10/10/new-vector-raises-8-5-m-to-accelerate-matrix-riot-modular) while appearing as “a foundation.” Smells very Mozilla. So I’ll be steering clear.

27 Jun 2022 at 14:18 | Open on mastodon.ar.al

calebjasik

@aral fair. i always wondered how hard it would be to implement chat over activitypub, though i don’t know what allowance there is in activitypub for e2ee

27 Jun 2022 at 14:21 | Open on mastodon.social

Aral Balkan

@calebjasik None whatsoever. Sadly.

27 Jun 2022 at 14:23 | Open on mastodon.ar.al

Csepp 🌢

@aral @calebjasik They seem much more privacy conscious than Mozilla. Can't comment on the protocol complexity, but I use about three clients regularly and they cover most functionality I want. Check out Nheko if you want a nice pmOS-friendly client, it's basically on par with Element.
The ecosystem around the protocol seems pretty healthy to me.
(And unlike Mozilla they can sell server hosting. I doubt they'll need to rely on Google.)